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From Alan Cabrera <>
Subject Re: What constitute a successful project?
Date Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:30:14 GMT

On Nov 27, 2012, at 12:49 AM, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya wrote:

> Hi,
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Bernd Fondermann <
>> wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:25 AM, Jukka Zitting <>
>> wrote:
>> This is exactly what we did for the last months (years, actually).
>> Give it yet more time.
>> Honestly, I don't understand why we should continue in this mode "for
>> another few months" when it failed for the past years.
>> Is this the extra-bonus IPMC time
> Thinking in general not on this specific case, may be we can define a
> formal warning for retirement for podlings where the PPMC has to come up
> with a concrete plans for the next six months and some measurable goals.
> Once the formal warning is issued, it can be processed by the clutch [1]
> and also show the elapsed time. In 3 months, 6 months, 9 months mentors and
> IPMC can decide whether to remove the warning or not. After one year, if
> there is no significant change and the goals are not archived, IPMC can
> easily decide in favor of retirement because they know the history of the
> issue. At the same time, every three months until retirement PPMC will be
> notified that they are still under the warning (I think this is somewhat
> happening even now, as I've seen from Jukka's replies to the board
> reports), so they will have reasonable time to take action. Of course, we
> don't need a process like this in the case of the PPMC unanimously agree
> for retirement.

The first sign of a broken organization is when it decides to add more process to "fix" things.

I will remind the IPMC that seven months ago the specter of retirement was raised.  A lengthy
discussion ensued.  Consensus was garnered.  We even added committers with the hopes of infusing
new energy into the project.

It had no effect.


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