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From Alan Cabrera <>
Subject Re: Retirement decision making
Date Wed, 28 Nov 2012 20:46:54 GMT
I've been giving this some thought and I've worked hard at keeping it short and sweet.  So
finer points are left out but I hope they are obvious.

What does ASF's Imprimatur mean?  

Does it mean that project is diverse and vibrant?  No. 

Does it mean that the project's committers and PMC members are trustworthy?  Yes.

I'm wondering if it makes sense to do away with the diversity and vibrant dictum and merely
state that at least one person is reasonably active and that all the PMC members are trustworthy.

If we do this then all manner of things are simplified especially with respect to those projects
that were, seemingly, unfairly fast tracked.


On Nov 28, 2012, at 6:57 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:

> The question of a time limit is like other questions we deal with: we
> don't want to set a hard limit, but the idea of incubation going along
> for years and years is not consistent with the vision of what the
> incubator is. Sam was at pains to present this dilemma, not to ask for
> some kind of hard limit.
> Ross, I can now see how your 'follow the mentors' model should have
> the effect of solving this problem, too.
> I didn't start this thread with 'we have a broken process,' I started
> it with, 'I want to clarify what our process is.'
> To me, this discussion feeds my prior belief that we need to continue
> to emphasize the importance of active, engaged, mentors, and see their
> absence in a podling as a problem that demands attention.
> There are people here (notable Greg) who are very skeptical of this
> mentor-centric model. However, it seems to me that the consensus of
> the community continues to be to try to tune/repair it, not replace
> it.
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:41 AM, ant elder <> wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
>>> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 3:24 PM, ant elder <> wrote:
>>>> ...Slow poddlings don't use much ASF resource so aren't a burden...
>>> I disagree: podlings do use mentor's energy - graduating or retiring
>>> them is a way to free up mentors for other incoming podlings.
>> I did say "If there are willing participants" which includes the mentors.
>> And I don't think looking at mentors as a pot of resource is the correct
>> view.
>>   ...ant
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