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From Tomer Shiran <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Drill for the Apache Incubator
Date Mon, 06 Aug 2012 18:23:24 GMT
Marvin, thanks for commenting on the proposal! The initial committers have
been working on the design for several months, and will commit the design
once the project is approved, so we do not expect much friction during the
design phase. With that said, we certainly do want to engage others early
on, and our goal in incubating earlier is to encourage feedback and
contributions when it is still easy to change the APIs and extensibility
points. This is important because Drill (unlike, say, Google's Dremel) must
be really flexible in order to be relevant to a broad user base, allowing
multiple data sources, data formats and query languages. While many
projects enter incubation with a complete implementation, others don't, and
due to the nature of this project we think that in this case it is better
to start earlier.


On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Marvin Humphrey <>wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Ted Dunning <> wrote:
> > Initial Source
> > ==============
> > There is no initial source code. All source code will be developed within
> > the Apache Incubator.
> Coming in without any source code is going to pose a challenge to this
> podling.
>     The incubator filters projects on the basis of the likeliness of
> them becoming
>     successful meritocratic communities. The basic requirements for
> incubation
>     are:
>         * a working codebase -- over the years and after several failures,
> the
>           foundation came to understand that without an initial working
>           codebase, it is generally hard to bootstrap a community. This is
>           because merit is not well recognized by developers without a
> working
>           codebase. Also, the friction that is developed during the initial
>           design stage is likely to fragment the community.
> That last line in particular seems like something to watch out for.
> Marvin Humphrey
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