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From "Franklin, Matthew B." <>
Subject RE: [PROPOSAL] Drill for the Apache Incubator
Date Tue, 07 Aug 2012 19:14:53 GMT
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Marvin Humphrey []
>Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 12:25 PM
>Cc: Grant Ingersoll; Isabel Drost
>Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Drill for the Apache Incubator
>On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Ted Dunning <>
>> Initial Source
>> ==============
>> There is no initial source code. All source code will be developed within
>> the Apache Incubator.
>Coming in without any source code is going to pose a challenge to this
>    The incubator filters projects on the basis of the likeliness of
>them becoming
>    successful meritocratic communities. The basic requirements for incubation
>    are:
>        * a working codebase -- over the years and after several failures, the
>          foundation came to understand that without an initial working
>          codebase, it is generally hard to bootstrap a community. This is
>          because merit is not well recognized by developers without a working
>          codebase. Also, the friction that is developed during the initial
>          design stage is likely to fragment the community.

It seems like there could be flexibility in this requirement, based on a few factors.  In
this case, a design discussion has been ongoing; but I would also think that any community
coming in with enough people who know the Apache way may also not need as much of a solid
starting point code wise.

>That last line in particular seems like something to watch out for.
>Marvin Humphrey
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