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From Jukka Zitting <>
Subject Re: DirectMemory status (Was: Shepherding: chukwa, mesos, directmemory)
Date Wed, 11 Jul 2012 10:28:13 GMT

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 4:13 AM, Tim Williams <> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Jukka Zitting <> wrote:
>> Does that (and my classification as ready to graduate) sound like an
>> accurate assessment of DirectMemory status?
> I suppose.  Though, it's not clear why we're answering that question
> on general@ instead of letting the mentors run through the graduation
> guide with the community?  This list is chatty though, so perhaps I
> missed something?

I'm just verifying that I understood the report correctly. We're
providing a summary of the overall status of the Incubator in our
report to the board, and for that I need a rough indication of where
each podling stands in terms of progress towards graduation.

The intention is certainly not interfere with the work mentors are
doing as long as everything's fine, just to verify that everything
indeed is fine.

> FWIW, this shepherd thing is starting to feel like [duplicative]
> middle-management.  I'd strongly encourage a more passive board-style
> role (e.g. stepping in only when a problem exists).

Yes, the shepherding model indeed is sort of middle-management that
ideally wouldn't be needed. Unfortunately with lots of absent mentors
and podlings that were stuck in a limbo, there was a clear need to do
something about the situation. That's why there's recently been a
concentrated effort to review podling reports and status in much more
detail and provide feedback where needed. Once we have such problems
covered, we may well be able to fall back to a more passive mode of

In this case I just wanted to confirm that my understanding of the
project status based on the report and other available information was
correct. It seems like the mentors and the project in general are
doing all the right things, so I see no need to interfere further.
Apologies if my message implied otherwise.


Jukka Zitting

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