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From Stefan Bodewig <>
Subject Re: Shepherd for EasyAnt
Date Thu, 05 Jul 2012 04:35:24 GMT
On 2012-07-04, Dave Fisher wrote:

> On Jul 3, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Nicolas Lalevée wrote:
>> Le 3 juil. 2012 à 19:00, Jukka Zitting a écrit :
>>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Nicolas Lalevée
>>> <> wrote:

>>>> The primary target for Easyant will be being a subproject of Ant.

This may be EasyAnt's goal, I'm not entirely sure it matches Ant's goal.

At one point in time every project entering incubation had to be
sponsored by an existing TLP or the board and it didn't imply the
podling would graduate to the existing TLP at all.  The "you need a
sponsoring TLP" notion seems to have gone now.  By the time EasyAnt
entered incubation Ant became the sponsoring TLP so there was one, not
because Ant was comitted to accept it as a sub-project IIRC.

I'm not saying Ant would reject it, but it is not a no-brainer either.
This part of the discussion should be held on dev@ant 8-)

>>> Is there something that the Incubator can do for EasyAnt that the
>>> Ant PMC can't? If not, I don't see a need to wait for this to
>>> happen.

>> I guess that the incubation process for EasyAnt was about training
>> the people "attached" to the project so they learn how to build a
>> proper ASF community, release, and check IP clearance.

Training people and growing a community (maybe by attracting existing
Ant contributors).  If it had been clear Ant was willing to accept Ant
as a subproject back then, we likely would have taken the IP-clearing
route instead (which has happened for other stuff in the past).

> How has the refactoring due to an expected contributor's unwillingness
> to sign an ICLA effected the project? This issue makes me think that
> the main purpose of going through the incubator was to inoculate the
> project's IP, not that there is anything wrong with that.

This fell out as a side-effect.  When EasyAnt entered incubation nobody
expected this.  IP stuff seemed to be without any problems as all
contributors agreed with the move to the ASF - it wasn't before we
started collecting ICLAs that we saw the problem (the contributor in
question simply never answered any attempt to reach out to him for
several months).


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