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From "Roy T. Fielding" <>
Subject Re: [MENTORS] Third Party source
Date Fri, 08 Jun 2012 06:06:35 GMT
I fear we are miscommunicating again.

Only the copyright owner is allowed to (re)move copyright notices
or permit others to (re)move them on the owner's behalf.
Jeff just needs to give the project permission -- one simple
email message to the list is enough -- and then anyone at Apache
can move them.  He doesn't need commit access if he doesn't want it.

If he doesn't want to give permission, then just leave them
as they are.  It is not a prerequisite on releasing the code.

Our *desire* for a company granting code to Apache to remove 
their own copyright notices from every file is because

  1) it hinders open collaboration if volunteers think their
     new work is going to look like it is owned by company (C)

  2) if one contributor gets credit in a file, then *every*
     significant contributor should have the same credit,
     which is a problem for contributors that would rather
     not be the first point of contact during a lawsuit.

and so we request the notices be moved at the time of (or
shortly after) initial code donation because that is when
folks are happy to do so and actively communicating with
the ASF.  It is also for their own good, even if they don't
know it yet.


On Jun 7, 2012, at 1:58 PM, Greg Reddin wrote:

> Hi Incubator,
> See the email below from Alex Harui. I need help figuring out what to do here.
> I'm not sure if Jeff was ever an employee of Macromedia or what the
> full situation is. Perhaps Alex can clarify if needed.
> Essentially, we wanted to offer Jeff commit rights to make the
> modification as suggested by Roy. But Jeff indicated he's too busy to
> do it. Since he owns the copyright and seems willing to donate the
> code, what would be the appropriate methodology here. Do we need a
> software grant? Would it be sufficient to have an ICLA on file from
> Jeff?
> Thanks,
> Greg
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Alex Harui <> wrote:
>> Hi Mentors,
>> Some of the source code in the compiler is copyrighted by Jeff Dyer who wrote some
of original code that was then acquired by Macromedia/Adobe.  At the time of the donation,
 Roy Fielding said we should make Jeff a committer so he can move the copyrights to the NOTICES
file.  Does that make sense?  If so, I will ask him to submit an ICLA.  I assume his committer
status doesn’t require the usual vote protocol?  My understanding is that need to get this
cleared up in order to cut an official release.
>> Thanks,
>> --
>> Alex Harui
>> Flex SDK Team
>> Adobe Systems, Inc.
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