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From Mark Struberg <>
Subject Re: Isis status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of "June2012" by DanHaywood)
Date Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:29:38 GMT
+1 for graduation as well.

The involved persons are really high class team players and I know from personal experience
with other projects that there are at least 30x more users than the ones who show up on 
mailing lists. You only hear from them after a conference talks when they tell you that they
do 15 million requests per day with your tool ;) The same seems true for Isis given the questions
we have on the mailing list every now and then. 


----- Original Message -----
> From: Benson Margulies <>
> To:
> Cc: 
> Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2012 6:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Isis status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of "June2012" by DanHaywood)
> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Jukka Zitting <> 
> wrote:
>>  Hi,
>>  Thanks for the report, Isis!
>>  On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Apache Wiki <> 
> wrote:
>>>  +   - only really one issue: need to demonstrate can bring in at least 
> one
>>>  +     new committer.  At that point, we feel that we have done enough 
> to
>>>  +     warrant graduation (as a small but viable community)
>>  Looking at Isis I'm a bit worried about the drop of activity over the
>>  past few months, especially in April. Hopefully that's just a
>>  temporary issue.
>>  I see you do have three active committers (danhaywood, kevin and
>>  rmatthews have commits from this year) and you are able to cut
>>  releases, which already covers most of the common concerns about low
>>  diversity in a project. See also the recent discussions on general@
>>  about the diversity requirement and the way the issue is being
>>  addressed by the Etch project. It seems like following the example of
>>  Etch would work fine for Isis.
>>  To summarize, it looks like you could be ready to graduate already now
>>  if the community itself thinks it's time to do so. Alternatively you
>>  could try to recruit one more committer before graduation, which would
>>  make the IPMC graduation vote a much easier decision.
>>  Mentors, what's your feeling about the readiness of Isis to graduate?
> +: This group has been, in my experience, very good with Apache
> process since the start. I'm not really concerned that they will
> suddenly grow fangs and claws as a TLP when and if they finally meet a
> new person and get the chance to assimilate him or her.
> -: They're just barely big enough, and there may just not be enough
> interested parties out there.
> Given recent views on this subject, I'd lean toward graduation rather
> than endless incubation or a parting of the ways.
>>>  +   - hopeful that the new project currently starting will yield a new 
> committer
>>  I remember [1] you did a lot of good stuff recently to remove barriers
>>  of entry. However, it looks like you may be missing out on some
>>  potential new contributors. For example Jason Richardson filed five
>>  issues in May [2] but didn't get any feedback on them yet. A simple
>>  "Do you have a fix in mind? A patch would be great!" reply goes a 
> long
>>  way.
>>  [1]
>>  [2] 
>>  BR,
>>  Jukka Zitting
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