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From Joe Schaefer <>
Subject Re: diversity
Date Wed, 06 Jun 2012 00:29:50 GMT
We have an Attic fer Christ-sakes, and in it lies the carcass of
Apache Harmony, which died because IBM pulled out.  BFD, that was
not a failing of the org, nor the IPMC, when it considered Harmony
for graduation.  Shit happens.

Our license does not promise that a project will live forever.  Neither
does our brand.  Let's please stop pretending it does.

+1 to Roy's and Benson's remarks

----- Original Message -----
> From: Benson Margulies <>
> To:
> Cc: 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 8:24 PM
> Subject: Re: diversity
>T he diversity (so-called) requirement is often stated in terms of the
> risk of the project being stranded if a company changes course. From
> what I see around the Foundation, this is usually a risk much akin to
> the risk of all the air molecules congregating in one corner of the
> room at the board F2F, asphyxiating the board members.
> A project can also fail because it loses critical mass with no
> commercial participation at all. In either case, 'so what'? The
> Foundation advances its mission by facilitating whatever good stuff
> projects do. The Attic is just part of the lifecycle.
> It seems to me that the real issue is community. TLP's wrestle with
> the complexities of the real commercial world all the time. Sometimes
> that gets noisy or ugly. But, as Roy writes, this is all a lot better
> than the alternative. In my opinion, this PMC has to be on the lookout
> for podlings which fail to build a real community and instead serve as
> a facade for a corporate effort. It's hard to see how a podling can
> demonstrate health in this respect without \some/ diversity in the
> community at some point in its career. But this does not translate
> into hard and fast rules about PMC membership.
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