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From Ralph Goers <>
Subject Re: JIRA and communities
Date Fri, 25 May 2012 17:32:59 GMT

On May 25, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:

> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Steve Loughran
> <> wrote:
>> On 24 May 2012 06:15, Benson Margulies <> wrote:
>>> I've met other groups of people who like a JIRA centric view
>>> of the world. I suspect that if they did a bunch of other good things
>>> called out below, you or others would find the JIRA business
>>> digestible. Also, on the other hand, I fear that the co-employed
>>> contributors are collaborating in the hallway, and the lack of the
>>> context in JIRA or on the list is contributing to the problem.
>> I'm not convinced that JIRA helps communities. It's great in companies -IDE
>> integration, you can bounce issues to others, it pings your phone so often
>> you can use it as a network liveness test. It also lets you persist
>> discussions in a way that can be searched. In a busy project, it helps you
>> keep track of your workload, and can assist in sprint planning if you fill
>> in the est/actual workload fields.
> I don't claim that JIRA helps, but I also don't accept the proposition
> that JIRA hurts.
> I think that we should focus on the community, not the tools. The
> JIRA-oriented projects I follow have JIRA set to send all new issues,
> and all new comments, to the dev list. So all community members, and,
> in particular, all PMC members with a duty to supervise, see all the
> traffic.

I have no problem with Jira, it is a great tool.  My problem - specific to the way Flume does
things - is that they also use the Review tool and you end up with a copy of a message from
the Review tool and another copy of the same thing from Jira.  A LOT of those messages are
pure noise.  The ones that do contain content do a poor job of quoting whatever is being commented
on.  So the only way to really tell what is going on is to go into Jira and look at every

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