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From Ralph Goers <>
Subject Re: Flume Graduation (was Re: June reports in two weeks)
Date Fri, 25 May 2012 15:03:14 GMT

On May 25, 2012, at 2:46 AM, Arvind Prabhakar wrote:

> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Ralph Goers <>wrote:
>> On May 24, 2012, at 10:40 AM, Arvind Prabhakar wrote:
>>> There are four companies represented in this list: AVG Technologies,
>>> Cloudera, CyberAgent and Trend Micro. Compared to other projects that
>> have
>>> successfully graduated from Incubator in the past, this meets the
>> diversity
>>> requirements very well.
>> I was mistaken and the list above is indeed correct.  For some reason I
>> thought a couple of them had become Cloudera employees.
>> However, none of those three are currently on the PPMC.  When you look at
>> the PPMC list you should also include a few more Cloudera people who do
>> participate in release votes and PPMC issues. Most, if not all, of the
>> non-Cloudera PMC members don't.
> Back in October of 2011 the PPMC discussed and decided to use the process
> where new committers are not automatically added to PPMC. We have since
> followed this process and added one committer to the PPMC recently.
> The current PPMC consists of:
> * Andrew Bayer (Cloudera)
> * Ahmed Radwan (Cloudera)
> * Arvind Prabhakar(Cloudera)
> * Bruce Mitchener (Independent)
> * Derek Deeter (Intuit)
> * Eric Sammer (Cloudera)
> * Henry Robinson (Cloudera)
> * Jonathan Hsieh (Cloudera)
> * Aaron Kimball (Odiago)
> * Ralph Goers (Intuit)
> There is a representation of at least four companies in this list. This,
> plus the the fact that we have demonstrated our commitment to the policies
> that we set forth, give me the confidence that we are on the right track.
> Diversity is a priority and will continue to be post graduation.

Are you really going to resort to distortion of the truth to try to claim diversity?  I work
with Derek and know that he has never participated in Flume since its inception. I also can't
recall Bruce or Aaron participating after the podling started. All of them appear to have
just signed the initial wiki page to get on the PPMC. 

I'm not sure why you left Tom White and Patrick Hunt off as they are both mentors and are
PPMC members and both have participated in PMC discussions. 

That leaves just me as the only non-Cloudera PPMC member who actively participates and I don't
commit code and I've been on the PPMC primarily as a mentor.  If you somehow believe that
this constitutes diversity than my job as a mentor has a long way to go.


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