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From Ralph Goers <>
Subject Re: Flume Graduation (was Re: June reports in two weeks)
Date Thu, 24 May 2012 18:49:24 GMT

On May 24, 2012, at 10:40 AM, Arvind Prabhakar wrote:

> Hi,
> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 12:19 AM, Ralph Goers <>wrote:
>> The ONLY issue I see for Flume to graduate is diversity.  No one will
>> convince me that the current makeup constitutes diversity of any kind.
>> Perhaps I shouldn't have brought up the mailing list issues as that was
>> only meant in the spirit of trying to offer some advice on how more
>> diversity could be achieved.  Flume is really the only community I
>> participate in that contains Cloudera employees so I do find myself
>> wondering if the way the project is run is because that is the way all
>> projects with a large number of Cloudera employees are run.  That might
>> make all of those participants comfortable but might create a barrier to
>> others.
> Here are the committers who have been active in the past three months:
> * Brock Noland (Cloudera)
> * Hari Shreedharan  (Cloudera)
> * Jarek Jarcec Cecho (AVG Technologies)
> * Juhani Connolly   (CyberAgent)
> * Mike Percy (Cloudera)
> * Mingjie Lai (Trend Micro)
> * Prasad Mujumdar (Cloudera)
> * Will McQueen (Cloudera)
> * Arvind Prabhakar (Cloudera)
> There are four companies represented in this list: AVG Technologies,
> Cloudera, CyberAgent and Trend Micro. Compared to other projects that have
> successfully graduated from Incubator in the past, this meets the diversity
> requirements very well.

I was mistaken and the list above is indeed correct.  For some reason I thought a couple of
them had become Cloudera employees.  

However, none of those three are currently on the PPMC.  When you look at the PPMC list you
should also include a few more Cloudera people who do participate in release votes and PPMC
issues. Most, if not all, of the non-Cloudera PMC members don't.

>> In any case - I'm not insisting that the way the project is run needs to
>> change. I'm simply saying I cannot support graduation with the current
>> makeup of the committers and PMC. I don't have a hard and fast ratio -
>> gaining 10 new unaffiliated committers who don't do much isn't nearly as
>> good as 2 or 3 who are very active.  Ultimately the project needs to figure
>> out how to solve this.
> Stating that some committers "who don't do much isn't nearly as good as 2
> or 3 who are very active" is an unfair characterization. This is more
> unfair for those who are part of the project but have not been active
> lately due to whatever reasons, but have played a foundational role in
> getting the project to a point where it is today. I think they are as
> important as any other committer who may be very active at the moment.
> Merit once earned, never expires [1].
> [1]

I think you misunderstood my point or I didn't state it very well.  Diversity isn't achieved
simply by having bodies.  IOW I am not suggesting offering commit rights to people who haven't
earned it just to meet some ratio.  However, I am not suggesting the project has ever even
considered doing that.


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