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From Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator
Date Mon, 16 Apr 2012 17:04:37 GMT
Hi Ross,

no worries, community voting is also meant to bring up this kind of
conversations too. I will try to -briefly- express my opinion.

You are quoting the discussion started at [1], followed up at [2]. I would
like to highlight Florian's comments on first thread at [3], which
summarize pretty well the state of the project. We took Roller as an
example of a succesful Apache project, which is close to what happens to
JSPWiki: mature project + small numbers of committers, with little time.

So, as a community, we decided to proceed with graduation (thread at [2]).
In that sense, is not that I have championed anything, just proceeded with
what we decided previously.

JSPWiki, unlike most Apache projects, is backed by several individuals who
work on it only on their free time, so the absence of committers is felt
deeper than in other projects. The first thing we should do after we
graduate is to somehow ease the initial jump-in into the project. We have
postponed this step after graduation because we needed to set a line
somewhere in our long journey through incubation, and we felt that current
trunk is mature enough to be considered as an Apache TLP ([2] again,
heavily summarized).

kind regards,
juan pablo




On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Ross Gardler <>wrote:

> Looking at the community activity this project looks like it lacks the
> diversity required. For example, on the vote thread on the projects
> own dev list there were only three +1 votes, one of which came from
> someone who has only ever posted to the dev list on two other
> occasions.
> Furthermore I'm worried that in Janne said:
> "The point of Apache Incubation is to incubate a community of people who
> can
> create good software. So far our community seems to be dwindling more than
> increasing (and I accept the blame for that - I just haven't had the time
> nor
> the interest to put into this project). So I don't think it's wrong to say
> that
> our incubation has essentially failed, and that we should consider some
> other
> avenue, and go away from messing up the Apache Incubator."
> and Harry said:
> "We simply can't get people interested in doing the necessary things, both
> the tech work and the non-tech work, and I personally do not have that much
> time for the project either anymore.
> So moving over to github is fine for me. (what will be the starting point
> in github BTW, the current trunk, or 2.8.4 ?)"
> Now we have this proposal to graduate. Juan Pablo didn't like the idea
> of saying incubation had failed and has championed graduation.
> Can I ask for someone more aware of JSPWiki activities please provide
> a summary of why the proposals to declare failure in Jan were rejected
> and what activities have been undertaken to turn this "failure" to
> graduation. Please don't feel you need to defend the proposal, I'm
> just looking for information to support my vote and also to help me
> think about the discussions a couple of months ago about different
> styles of incubation activity.
> Ross
> On 15 April 2012 23:46, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez
> <> wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > The Apache JSPWiki project entered Incubator in October of 2007. Since
> then
> > we have added two new committers from diverse organizations. The codebase
> > of our product has been growing slowly but surely, and we think is mature
> > enough to go through graduation; also, we have made two releases
> following
> > the ASF policies and guidelines. Thanks to the mentorship we have
> received
> > through this period, we have learnt to self-govern and grow our community
> > using accepted Apache practices.
> >
> > Given these milestones, I feel that JSPWiki is ready to graduate from
> > Incubator.
> >
> > The first step towards graduation is to vote as a community that JSPWiki
> is
> > ready to graduate. If the vote is successful, we will draft a board
> > resolution proposal and call it to vote on the general Incubator list.
> The
> > complete graduation process is described [1].
> >
> > Please cast your votes:
> >
> > [  ]  +1 Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator
> > [  ]  +0 Indifferent to graduation status of JSPWiki
> > [  ]  +1 Reject graduation of JSPWiki from Incubator
> >
> > This vote will remain open for at least 72 hours from now.
> >
> > [1]
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > juan pablo
> --
> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
> Programme Leader (Open Development)
> OpenDirective
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