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From dsh <>
Subject Re: Is there an ASF license for Apple's "Apple Developer Program" ?
Date Tue, 03 Apr 2012 17:47:42 GMT


On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 7:43 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. <> wrote:
> On 3/31/2012 8:43 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>> On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Ross Gardler <>wrote:
>>> There isn't (to my knowledge), I can imagine an increasing number of
>>> projects wanting such a thing though. Unless someone tells me I'm
>>> wrong and we already have one would you be interested in seeing if
>>> Apple are open to such an arrangement?
>> I'd recommend first very careful review of the licensing terms first, on
>> legal-discuss, to ensure that we're comfortable with any restrictions use
>> of their SDK brings.  This would also help with other potential
>> contributors who might have iOS apps they would like to contribute, but
>> whose current analysis suggests that the Apple terms are incompatible.
> nonsense
> These are the very same SDK tools that these very same Apache Committers already
> use on a daily basis.
> The only modulo here is that some have access through work.  Some purchase their
> own access.  Some have been comp'ed subscriptions individually or through other
> organizations.
> This simply makes the same tool for a committer free or discounted from what
> they already paid.  For example, I was an MSDN subscriber through work for some
> years, as a consultant for some years, took a break from my subscription on some
> other years.  Now, I'm using a subscription donated for ASF committers.  Nothing
> changed.
> Sure, you can have a discussion about whether some WizBang API introduces new
> licensing restrictions, platform lock-in, etc.  But we are NOT GOING TO BEGIN
> auditing the Oracle Developer Suite, the Microsoft Developer Network, the Apple
> Developer Network, the IBM HP VMware Google RedHat Citrix Adobe Amazon (OH GOD
> MAKE IT STOP!!!) developer tool program for every possible future quirk.
> There are real questions to be asked about specific tools and specific api's in
> the open source and closed source world and the projects which are affected need
> to do their homework and work with ASF legal to resolve ambiguity.  But any of
> these examples includes hundreds of tools and api's and sdk's which have no
> intersection with an ASF code base.
> If Jim works out some connections for ASF <> Apple and you use Apple then enjoy
> that perk, and otherwise, please EIGNORE?  Thanks :)
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