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From Matt Hogstrom <>
Subject Re: Simplifying podling infra
Date Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:22:28 GMT

To your comment on the downside.  It is something that mentors need to manage to.  For projects
that are moving like a herd of turtles, they get ASF benefits right up front and for those
that are lazy like me, there is less incentive to move.

Trying this approach and seeing how it plays out would be great.

Matt Hogstrom

A Day Without Nuclear Fusion Is a Day Without Sunshine

On Mar 26, 2012, at 10:52 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:

> Hi,
> Currently new podlings have most of their infrastructure (lists, web
> site, svn, etc.) set up under and
> repos/asf/incubator. As a consequence they need to perform an extra
> infrastructure migration when they graduate. IMHO that's one infra
> migration too much.
> Would it make sense for us to allow podlings to be set up at their
> expected TLP locations right from the beginning? The IPMC would still
> be ultimately responsible for overseeing all these locations and we'd
> still expect the standard incubator disclaimers to be in place (we
> might even ask for extra ones in list footers, etc. if needed). If a
> podling ends up being retired or graduating into a subproject of
> another TLP, then an extra migration step would still be needed but
> the difference to status quo would be minimal.
> The downside of this change would be that the term "incubator" would
> become less prominent in the day-to-day operations of a podling. The
> upside would be reduced infra overhead, less community trouble caused
> by migrations and simplified incubation documentation (no need to
> distinguish between podling and TLP state in so many places).
> WDYT? If there's interest (and not many objections), we could try out
> the idea with a few upcoming podlings to see how it works in practice.
> BR,
> Jukka Zitting
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