From general-return-34134-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Sat Feb 4 18:36:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 54FF89914 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2012 18:36:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 82109 invoked by uid 500); 4 Feb 2012 18:36:56 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 81630 invoked by uid 500); 4 Feb 2012 18:36:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 81622 invoked by uid 99); 4 Feb 2012 18:36:55 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 04 Feb 2012 18:36:55 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of ralph.goers@dslextreme.com designates 209.85.210.47 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.210.47] (HELO mail-pz0-f47.google.com) (209.85.210.47) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 04 Feb 2012 18:36:29 +0000 Received: by daln34 with SMTP id n34so1005914dal.6 for ; Sat, 04 Feb 2012 10:36:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.227.195 with SMTP id sc3mr30037880pbc.47.1328380567582; Sat, 04 Feb 2012 10:36:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.69] (99-180-69-21.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net. [99.180.69.21]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g2sm23473520pbl.14.2012.02.04.10.36.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 04 Feb 2012 10:36:06 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Evolution instead of a revolution (Was: Time to vote the chair?) From: Ralph Goers In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 10:36:04 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3C56FD26-7391-48F7-8000-72577CA5E8A2@dslextreme.com> References: <4F2CC216.2000501@rowe-clan.net> <2D312AA4-E581-4159-8C32-B5CAC99CBC98@dslextreme.com> <8B104153-40FF-4655-8B26-B6DA6BD71C9A@dslextreme.com> To: general@incubator.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Feb 4, 2012, at 8:59 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > Ralph, I'm inclined to hair up the chart to distinguish 'podlings' > from 'probationary projects'. Otherwise, fine. I'll do that. I see from your latest updates that you still have the podlings = requiring IPMC approval for releases and new members. I suppose that = works if are only in the incubator a few months but I can easily imagine = a project performing a few releases and still preferring to stay in the = incubator while they build community. I'd really prefer to delegate = these to the podlings, subject to approval from their mentors and only = involve the IPMC if they can't get the required mentor approval. IOW, = the vote threads would take place on the podling lists and only the = results would be published to the IPMC and the IPMC would use a process = similar to the board's for approval (I believe the new process is a 72 = hr wait with an implied ack upon receipt). What about the current requirement that mentors be members of the IPMC? = Personally, I don't see the value of that, especially for ASF members. = The IPMC should be made up of people who care about the incubator as a = whole, not just specific podlings. Ralph --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org