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From Christian Grobmeier <>
Subject Re: PMC chair vs. reorg proposals
Date Sun, 05 Feb 2012 16:20:39 GMT
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Jukka Zitting <> wrote:
> I find it unfortunate that the PMC chair nominations got turned into a
> debate about the future of the Incubator, especially when the original
> reason to consider a new chair were fairly minor issues in timely
> handling of PMC mechanics. As a fellow PMC chair I think it's
> troublesome that people seem to expect that a VP title is needed to
> push forward major changes; it's not. In my opinion the primary role
> of the PMC chair in discussions like these is to make sure that all
> opinions are heard and to help reach consensus where none exists.
> Often the best way to do that is to step back and let the discussion
> flow before taking a stand.
> Thus, since Noel is willing to continue as the chairman, I propose
> that he should do so, possibly with Benson and/or others as delegates
> to help deal with the volume of day-to-day issues.

No. With all respect for Noel - we have discussed this multiple times
now. There is a need for a change because some administrative stuff
was delayed. There is a need for a change because on of us demanded it
(Bill if I remember right). Why should we wait again and re-discuss
everything? There is nothing wrong with doing the election now.

I am also not concerned with the candidates having a strong opinion on
the incubator. We know the chais alone cannot do a change to the
unliking of many. Do you elect Jim to the board each year because he
only manages his administrative stuff so well? No, I guess there is
more Jim around him why he is elected for so many years now. You
really can't ask for a non-political election. Personally I am glad to
have learned about what the candidates want to drive forward. It in
the nature of human to listen to people with bigger badges more

That being said, please lets fix now two things (finally): the new
chair vote (Betrand asked for Noel opening it, has not happened until
now) and the voting cycle.

Personally speaking I am not willing to discuss the "do we need a new
chair" thing again. If we are not able to vote a new chair, what else
can we do in the IPMC?

> Meanwhile others who wish to drive the incubation process to new
> directions, be it inside the Incubator or not, can and should continue
> to do so. AFAICT none of these proposals require the added authority
> of a VP title.

thats true, but as I think it does not relate to the vote itself.


> BR,
> Jukka Zitting
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