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From "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <>
Subject Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
Date Fri, 03 Feb 2012 17:22:49 GMT
Hey Sam,

On Feb 3, 2012, at 9:05 AM, Sam Ruby wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
> <> wrote:
>> On Feb 3, 2012, at 5:50 AM, Sam Ruby wrote:
>>> What I care most about is
>>> addressed by this proposal: that there be an identified person to
>>> which feedback can be directed for each report.
>> Sure, I get that now. I'm +1 to be that person
> I think that what I intended to say and what you seem to have heard
> are two different things.  Don't worry, I'm in agreement.  :-)
> Current process: individual PPMCs produce reports.  IPMC chair bundles
> and forwards.  Board reviews, provides comments to IPMC chair.  For
> whatever reason, this has not been effective in closing the loop.
> Proposed process (as I understand it): PPMCs produce reports.  Board
> reviews, provides comments to PPMC chair.  That does seem to me to be
> much more likely to be an effective process.

Yep, you got it. That's what I was trying to say.

>>> First, having the board vote on the creation of each podling is a bit
>>> too heavy weight.  I for one would prefer that that continue to be
>>> delegated.
>> How about to the membership of the ASF? Take it to members@?
> <humor mode='dry'>
>  I've yet to see members@ be a productive way to get a crisp
>  resolution on ANYTHING in a finite period of time.
> </humor>


<hope mode='on'>
  <humor mode='dry'>
I've yet to see members@ be a productive way to get a crisp
resolution on ANYTHING in a finite period of time.

>>> Second, the board is not the appropriate vehicle for fine tuning /
>>> micro-managing individual projects, much less podlings.  A podling
>>> that consistently fails to report or fails to address issues
>>> identified by the board should expect one or more of: a new chair,
>>> people added or removed from the committee, of for the committee to be
>>> dissolved entirely.  Having a supportive resource (whether that
>>> resource goes by the name of 'incubator' or 'comdev', I care not)
>>> remains important.
>> Yes, totally, I agree with that too. In fact, I'll admit that your recent
>> prodding of better IPMC reports helped me crystalize that notion.
> Hmm.  I'm wondering if I should be offended.  :-P

Hehe, I tell my friends: you want your sports team to lose? Have 
Mattmann VOTE for them! :) Except for USC of course. We're
on the upswing!


Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA

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