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From "William A. Rowe Jr." <>
Subject Re: Evolution instead of a revolution (Was: Time to vote the chair?)
Date Sat, 04 Feb 2012 02:01:12 GMT
On 2/3/2012 7:47 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
> On Feb 3, 2012, at 5:27 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
>> The existing problem remains the revised problem.  Any solution applicable
>> to the IPMC intervening in a dysfunctional PPMC applies to the Champion and
>> VP, Incubator intervening in a dysfunctional PMC, Incubating.
> So why wouldn't the VP, Incubator have a committee to help him?  Shoot even the Attic
has a committee.

I've stated previously, I believe they will appoint one, with some of
the helpful individuals who will ensure things get done.  The VP is the
one accountable and I'm sure that person would find people to share the
load, just as with the Attic.

>> Except that the board is likely to be much less tolerant and much quicker
>> to disband a failed effort that the motley band of IPMC has been.
>> The problem set is identical, and this proposal does not address it any
>> better or worse than the current committee structure.
> Well, to be blunt, that sucks.

No.  In all reality, it doesn't.  Far too many resources were drained in
the past five years on a handful of projects which never had a hope of
graduating.  An example was Blue Sky.  This will force mentors to pick
their battles, stand by their battles, and not to completely walk away
from them for months at a time.

>> The problem varies in one dimension only; in the IPMC, the general@ comes
>> to the rescue of absent mentors.  That won't be possible in the revised
>> structure without the rescuers signing up and committing to mentor the
>> Project, Incubating as PMC members.  And since there are many complaints
>> about insufficient commitment, this is probably not a bad thing.
> Couldn't disagree more.  Getting rid of threads like these would make the list quite
useful as podlings could actually ask for help and not have to wade through endless discussions
to get it.  With the alternative the discussions will be forced to move to members@ or some
other obscure list.

And show me evidence over the past /eight/ years where that has happened?
Let's stop hand waving and produce examples and cases we can discuss.

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