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From "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <>
Subject Re: Evolution instead of a revolution (Was: Time to vote the chair?)
Date Sat, 04 Feb 2012 02:05:40 GMT
On Feb 3, 2012, at 5:40 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
> [...snip...]
>> My interest goes beyond any of those topics, though.  Incubator is very
>> tedious.  Very little is resolved.  Deck chairs are shuffled.  But at
>> the end of the day, projects don't have ownership of their code, many
>> micro-managers do, we aren't necessarily creating better projects than
>> Chris's proposed structure, and the entire process and participation is
>> simply not enjoyable (except to the sadists or masochists).
> As Ross said, while the proposal gets rid of the tediousness it also removes much of
the oversight and practically all of the help and support.  

Umm, no it doesn't.

It makes formal what is currently happening and what should be happening in successful projects
(and podlings). 
The help and support is there. There is a sh*t ton of Incubator docs; almost a page for every
possible thing
you could think of. Ask the current set of RMs on the podlings how easy it is to navigate?

And beyond the docs, the safety net is there. You're ignoring that there is a VP for each
project, responsible to the board, 
and there is a PMC for each project that should consist of people that get along and care.
And my proposal says 3 of 
them should be ASF members.

If in that sea of membership above for an incoming project, we can't mentor, train, or muster
3 VOTEs, why the hell is
the project here at the ASF?


Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA

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