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From sebb <>
Subject Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings
Date Mon, 09 Jan 2012 12:54:47 GMT
On 9 January 2012 04:41, Kalle Korhonen <> wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Benson Margulies <> wrote:
>> This has been the subject of prior conversations, but I'm opening a
>> thread in some hope of reaching a definitive resolution.
>> Some of our non-graduating podlings have a common problem. They look
>> good in all ways except growth. This inhibits graduation from 2.5
>> standpoints:
>> 1) they are dubiously large enough to sustain as a TLP.
>> 2) they don't have much (or any) track record in incorporating new contributors.
>> 2.5) they might not be very diverse. I list this as a .5 because I
>> think that we've established that diversity is a lower priority.
>> There are some possible responses to this situation.
>> a) toss them out of the incubator.
>> b) keep them in the incubator indefinitely.
>> c) graduate them, but with some conditions.
> Should smaller incubator projects be encouraged to graduate as
> sub-projects of existing projects or is that not an option anymore?
> Specifically, I was thinking about Amber, which might just work as a
> sub-project of Apache Shiro if they are too small to make it on their
> own. However, we (the Shiro PMC) haven't suggested this to them and
> they haven't contacted us. Since Jakarta, my understanding is that the
> incubator would rather see the projects graduating as TLPs, not
> sub-projects, is that correct?

I don't think so. It's just umbrella TLPs are discouraged.

If the podling fits well with an existing TLP, and that TLP agrees to
take it on, then it can graduate as a sub-project of that TLP.

For example, Sanselan graduated into Commons, because it fits well
with the Commons scope.

> Kalle
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