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From Benson Margulies <>
Subject Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings
Date Mon, 09 Jan 2012 12:46:33 GMT
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 5:28 AM, ant elder <> wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 2:55 AM, Benson Margulies <> wrote:
>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Sam Ruby <> wrote:
>>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Benson Margulies <>
>>>> Sam,
>>>> Rather than argue about the existence and interpretation of messages
>>>> about squashing stale podlings, how about this adjustment to my
>>>> presentation:
>>>> 1. OK, let's forget about dumping aged podlings
>>> We have quite a number of "aged podlings" with no activity and AWOL
>>> mentors.  I don't want to forget about that.  I continue to want to
>>> focus on that.  Not on tossing, or allowing to continue indefinitely,
>>> or graduating prematurely.  Instead I want to verify that the people
>>> who signed on as mentors, presumably in good faith at that time, are
>>> still on board.
>> Sam,
>> I started this separate thread because I view this situation as
>> distinctive from the problem you are referring to here. I take that
>> situation just as seriously as you do, I think. If you'd prefer that I
>> drop this (less urgent) problem until that one is under control. I'm
>> happy to do so.
>>>> 2. The third option I presented was 'graduate with an asterix'.
>>>> However, I didn't really intend to claim that no other possibilities
>>>> existed. Another possibility is 'remain under the supervision of the
>>>> incubator PMC but with more autonomy.' I could elaborate, but I'd
>>>> rather see if there is a remote consensus to go in any direction like
>>>> this.
>>> You want to see if people will agree to sign a blank check?  My
>>> suggestion is that you present a more concrete proposal than "more
>>> autonomy" if you want people to agree to it.
>> No, I'm not asking for a blank check. I'm asking you and the other
>> more experienced people if you think that the idea of treating
>> Isis-like podlings differently from other podlings by giving them more
>> autonomy and less oversight makes any sense to you. If you all say,
>> 'no, we don't want to change anything,' I'll drop it. If you say 'hmm,
>> let's talk details,' then I'll attempt to flesh out details. However,
>> since your bottom line is 'make a more concrete proposal,' then I
>> will, but I will wait a bit to see if this thread attracts any other
>> thoughts about the overall concept first.
> Hi Benson,
> I don't know about the more autonomy proposal but I had a quick look
> at Isis. If they've never added any new committers thats a worry but
> other than that they seem to meet all the other graduation
> requirements. Do you or the other mentors have any feel for why
> they've not added any new committers - are they over protective of
> their code or have they really just had no one ever come along
> offering patches or anything?

As far as I've been able to determine, no one has come along.

>   ...ant
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