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From ant elder <>
Subject Re: Actively retiring projects
Date Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:34:36 GMT
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
<> wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Ross Gardler
> <> wrote:
>> On 16 January 2012 09:31, Robert Burrell Donkin
> <snip>
>>> The right way to discipline Mentors is to remove them from the IPMC.
>>> I've started a thread on private. Threatening to terminate their
>>> podlings just muddies the waters.
>> We are *not* talking about disciplining mentors we are talking about
>> helping them do a better job or, if they are inactive, recognising
>> this and helping the podling find the mentoring they need. It is about
>> feedback loops, not about big sticks.
> The line beyond constructive feedback was passed long ago in these
> discussions. There are clearly two strongly held but incompatible
> views on the nature of Mentoring and governance at Apache. Either find
> constructive ways to blend them, or remove the destructive minority.
> I believe in community led development, and that community building is
> an art that requires judgment not a science that can be planned.
> I back Ant and the Mentors who allowed River, Cassandra etc the space
> they needed to find and build their communities. I stand by our
> decision to allow Kato time to try to resolve it's external problems.
> I have not been persuaded that I'm wrong but I'm no longer will to
> argue. Either accept my minority opinion or remove my karma.

Well put, same goes for me too.


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