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From Martijn Dashorst <>
Subject Re: On Etch status
Date Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:27:39 GMT
I'll give it a couple of more days for folks to look into this, then
I'll propose the community to start work on graduation.


On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 5:30 AM, Niclas Hedhman <> wrote:
> +1 to graduate. This is a project in a fierce space as Martijn noted,
> and I think "incubating" is hampering its attractiveness. It will
> become a swim or sink challenge as TLP, but doubt the forecast is any
> better of staying here.
> On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 7:39 PM, ant elder <> wrote:
>> On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Martijn Dashorst
>> <> wrote:
>>> Etch is a cross-platform, language- and transport-independent
>>> framework for building and consuming network services. The Etch
>>> toolset includes a network service description language, a compiler,
>>> and binding libraries for a variety of programming languages. It
>>> currently supports C, C# and Java. Support for Go, JavaScript and
>>> Python is deemed alpha status.
>>> Etch has 4 mentors listed: Yonik, Doug, Niclas and myself. Currently
>>> it seems I am the only mentor active.
>>> The facts:
>>>  - We have roughly 4 active contributors: 3 committers and 1 person
>>> responding to messages on the dev/user lists.
>>>  - We know how to add committers: the 3 currently active committers
>>> were all not part of the team when incubation started. One of them was
>>> voted in in the last half year.
>>>  - The community is diverse, or as diverse you can get in a 4 person group.
>>>  - We know how to cut releases.
>>>  - Reporting has been on schedule.
>>> The podling is IMO ready to graduate, but lacks a sustainable
>>> community (as noted elsewhere). The podling started out as a project
>>> of Cisco, and had an active group of committers, but when the economy
>>> happened, the team was disbanded and effectively left the podling
>>> stranded.
>>> When I think of the reasons why people are reluctant to join Etch, I think that:
>>>  - being in incubation hinders adoption of the code base
>>>  - its use is not advertised well (e.g. BMW uses it in their Minis)
>>>  - competition in the networking library space is fierce (though not
>>> too many libs exist)
>>> The project can address 2, 3 is something external and the IPMC can address 1.
>>> Now the big question: is Etch a candidate for graduating to TLP?
>>> I think it is, given the facts. It will be a TLP with issues of
>>> activity, but so far user questions, development questions are
>>> answered and releases are cut. The website has been updated recently,
>>> so I don't see an immediate danger of the project going south. I think
>>> that graduation of the podling will be a good thing and might give the
>>> project a bit of renewed energy.
>>> So... What to do?
>> Looking at commits in the last three months shows only two active
>> committers [1] extending that to six months shows three committers and
>> looking in the mail archives i see that extra committer has emailed
>> the dev list last month so is still around. So i think it could be
>> argued that there are three active committers and assuming they're
>> independent of each other then technically that meets that aspect of
>> the minimum graduation requirements.
>> Seems like a borderline case but there are other existing TLPs with
>> few active committers. I did a bit of digging about in the project and
>> i guess my gut feel would be if the mentors are recommending
>> graduation is the best thing for them now and are going to be helping
>> out by being on the PMC then i'd vote +1 for graduation too.
>>   ..ant
>> [1]
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