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From "Franklin, Matthew B." <>
Subject RE: Small but otherwise happy podlings
Date Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:23:54 GMT
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Niclas Hedhman []
>Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 11:25 PM
>To:; Joe Schaefer
>Subject: Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings
>I like Joe's suggestion of having Mentors writing a report. But I
>would like the PPMC get some experience as well, since once they
>graduate they are tossed into the fire of producing "real" board
>reports on their own.
>Possible extension of Joe's suggestion; The PPMC produce the Board
>report as if they were a top level project. Mentor produce separately
>the "road map to graduation" report, covering what has been done, what
>is going on right now and what is left to do. IPMC will quickly see
>AWOL Mentors and which podlings need help, without taking away the
>"training" of the PPMC...

>From my perspective as a podling PPMC member, I disagree with this approach.  From what
I have learned, it is the Incubator's responsibility to develop a self-sustaining community.
 IMO, any viable community should be responsible for managing their own destiny.  Mentors
should prod, poke, suggest, influence, coach and verify everything the podling does, but the
PPMC should be responsible for developing and reporting out a graduation roadmap.

>On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Joe Schaefer <>
>> I don't know about you, but in the podlings I mentor I am subscribed
>> to most if not all of the mailing lists and try to read the bulk of
>> it all.  I could easily write status reports for them if it was my
>> responsibility to do so, and for the initial 6 months would prefer
>> that mentors showed their podlings and their fellow mentors what can
>> be done with a properreport before passing that duty along to the PPMC.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: ant elder <>
>>> To:
>>> Cc:
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 4:47 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings
>>> I like the idea of mentors being expected to signoff on the wiki just
>>> to show that they are paying attention, but i also agree that it might
>>> be useful to have along with the poddling reports to have comments
>>> from the mentors. So how about doing both? Just extend the mentor
>>> signoff section to include comments so a poddling report is the
>>> poddling comments, mentor comments about whats going on and what
>>> they'd like to see the poddling doing in the next months and a signoff
>>> from all active mentors.
>>> Or Joe are you saying that we should scrap the poddling comments bit
>>> entirely? I think its useful to get a quick overview of whats going on
>>> and it gets them used to the TLP board report requirement.
>>>   ...ant
>>> On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Joe Schaefer <>
>>> wrote:
>>>>  Lame.  I would actually like to see mentors WRITING the reports
>>>>  at least for the first 6 months to a year, then going to sign-off
>>>>  on the wiki.
>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>  From: William A. Rowe Jr. <>
>>>>>  To:
>>>>>  Cc: Upayavira <>
>>>>>  Sent: Monday, January 9, 2012 1:23 PM
>>>>>  Subject: Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings
>>>>>  On 1/9/2012 11:40 AM, Upayavira wrote:
>>>>>>   Regarding attrition of mentors, it was discussed having mentors
>>>>>  'sign'
>>>>>>   the board report for their podling. Could that be encouraged,
>>> used
>>>>>>   as a sign of minimum 'activity' for a mentor?
>>>>>  How about simply sign off on podling-dev@?  Even if it is "Thanks
>>> for
>>>>>  drafting this!  No edits from me."
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