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From Joe Schaefer <>
Subject Re: Actively retiring projects
Date Tue, 17 Jan 2012 02:43:46 GMT
Wow, the Kato JSR is IBM-led, so there aren't even
any IP obstacles to continuing on as an Apache project.
No Apache project should ever put itself in the position
of saying to the world: please leave us alone while we
await the arrival of X.  For any value of X.  Apache
projects are supposed to be welcome to the public and
volunteer driven, not aconsortium of corporate-controlled
entities.  Therewas simply no good reason for those
reports to everstate that the project was mothballed
until Oracle'sarrival.  That is not aligned with how
we operate at all, and the mentors should've corrected
it years ago.

> From: Joe Schaefer <>
>To: "" <> 
>Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 12:17 PM
>Subject: Re: Actively retiring projects
>I can't figure out what is more important to you
>at this point Robert, salvaging your ego or helping
>your podling succeed here.  If I were in your shoes
>I would stop trying to defend my past actions there
>and give the podling a clear choice: what's more 
>important to them- faithful implementation of an Oracle
>led JSR or advancement to a full Apache project?
>Open source projects control their own destiny, not
>Oracle, and that is just as true with Kato as it was
>with Harmony.
>> From: Robert Burrell Donkin <>
>>Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:45 AM
>>Subject: Re: Actively retiring projects
>>On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Sam Ruby <> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
>>> <> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Ross Gardler
>>>> <> wrote:
>>>>> On 16 January 2012 11:51, Robert Burrell Donkin
>>>>> <> wrote:
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Terminating projects with active communities is the area of active
>>>>> Can you please provide a link to a message in the archive that states
>>>>> that a project with an active community should be terminated?
>>> Close reading of that message indicates a suggestion that an inactive
>>> community be terminated.
>>The email suggests termination as the final solution for a number of podlings
>>If the intention was to highlight potentially inactive podlings,
>>labeling them as 'inactive' would have been clearer
>>>> Language is important. Project 'termination' feels very different from
>>>> 'parking' or 'emeritus graduation', even though the actions taken in
>>>> each case may be very similar.
>>>> IMO it's time to start
 thinking about, describing and documentation
>>>> exit paths which lead outside Apache without a judgment of failure on
>>>> anyone's part
>>> Perhaps "dormant" would be an appropriate description of the Kato
>>> polding at this time?
>>Kato is now - and has been - stalled for more than a year: work was
>>stopped by an external impediment (rather than interest drifting away)
>>It would have been clearer to be able to mark this sort of situation
>>and suspend animation
>>[1] The community awaits a decision from Oracle. At
 one time, this was
>>expected promptly. Now hope fades.
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