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From Alex Harui <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache Incubator
Date Tue, 20 Dec 2011 23:23:01 GMT
Responses inline:

On 12/20/11 12:30 PM, "Raju Bitter" <> wrote:

> Hi Alex,
> re-reading the proposal, a few other questions came to my mind:
> 1) Flash Player SDK
> What are you referring to, when listing the "Adobe Flash Player SDK"
> under "External Dependencies". The Adobe website says:
> "Sorry, page not available", and then:
>> As of October 1, 2007, the Macromedia® Flash® Player 7 SDK will no
>> longer be available. The migration path for the Flash Player 7 SDK
>> is Adobe® Flash Lite 3.
>> The Adobe Flash Lite 3 runtime provides mobile and consumer electronics
>> device manufacturers the ability to deliver the most engaging mobile
>> experiences  across devices.
> Does the Flash Player SDK still exist as a product?
I guess not.  The main thing we need is a file called playerglobal.swc which
is on the FlashPlayer downloads page.  I had seen it referenced as the Flash
Player SDK at one time, but it looks like that is no longer true.  I will
double-check and then update the proposal.
> 2) Action Script Virtual Machine (AVM)
> In November 2006 Adobe open source the Flash Player Script engine:
> Is the source code of Tamarin still the current version of the Action
> Script Virtual Machine in Flash Player 11? If there is a new version of
> the AVM (2+), will that be contributed to the Apache Software Foundation
> as well?
> It doesn't really make sense to only contribute a compiler, if there is
> no open source implementation of a runtime/scripting engine available,
> but that might only be my personal view. If the community would decide
> to create a an open standards based runtime for Flex, would that mean
> the community would have to start from zero?
This proposal is about Adobe Flex which is separate from Tamarin.  And
separate from the future of Tamarin.  I cannot speak to anything related to
> 3) Commercial support for Apache Flex
> Does Adobe plan to offer support for an Apache Flex product? If yes,
> what kind of support would be planned. I read somewhere that Adobe will
> not offer any support for Flex 4.6+ to new customers, but I'm not sure,
> if that's still the current plan.
Adobe is not currently planning to offer support for Flex released from
Apache, but that could change.
> 4) Flash Player
> Are there any plans to open source a stripped-down version of Flash
> Player, e.g. the discontinued version of Flash Player for mobile) in the
> future (similar to the pure open source Flex SDK vs. the commercial
> SDK)? The Apache community could continue working on a browser-based
> mobile runtime for Apache Flex, if that was the case.
This proposal is about Adobe Flex which, while it runs in the Flash Player,
is separate from the Flash Player.  I cannot speak to any plans related to
the Flash Player.
> I hope I don't sound to skeptical here, but Adobe Flex is quite
> different from most Apache projects I've been in contact with. It's a
> powerful compiler with an interesting language, but it looks like the
> output of the compiler can only be used with Adobe-owned proprietary
> software at the moment.
This proposal is about Adobe Flex which in my mind is largely the
ActionScript source code that forms a framework that enables folks to easily
and quickly produce useful applications.  The compiler source we are
donating in this proposal is actually being superceded by a whole new
compiler code base in a project at Adobe called Falcon that will likely be
donated to Apache later.  Given that Tamarin is open source and the SWF file
format is public, I don't think there is much to stop someone else from
creating their own SWF player.  So while the current reality is that these
SWFs only run in Adobe-owned players, I don't think there is a technical
reason for it.
> Raju
>> Hi everyone,
>> I would like to propose Flex to be an Apache Incubator project.
>> Here's a link to the proposal:
>> Thank you,
>> Alex Harui
>> Flex SDK Team
>> Adobe Systems, Inc.
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