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From Bertrand Delacretaz <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache Incubator
Date Wed, 21 Dec 2011 09:00:12 GMT
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Craig L Russell
<> wrote:
> On Dec 20, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
>>>> The proposal says "Existing Flex-related conferences, podcasts and
>>>> websites should be allowed to continue using “Flex” as part of their
>>>> name - Apache Flex will have to create guidelines for that."

FWIW, it's me who wrote that phrase in the proposal, after some Flex
community members pointed out that there's a number of entities
currently using "Flex" as part of their website, conference or other

If the podling wants to keep the Flex name (which is the current
plan), it seems very unfair to me to ask bona fide Flex community
members to rename their stuff just because Flex decided to move.

>> The proposal does say the Flex trademark is being donated. The above
>> is an indication that there are groups already using that mark and
>> they should be allowed to continue to do so. My concern is that there
>> may be a for profit using this trademark that expects to continue to
>> use it. That, I imagine, would be unacceptable. even not-for-profits
>> might present complications....

As far as the ASF trademarks group is concerned, my understanding is
that trademarks management is delegated to the project's PMC, so (IMO)
Flex might very well decide to operate slightly differently than other
projects, due to its history.

As long as there's no confusion as to which Flex is which, and as long
as there's no favoritism in how people are allowed to use the Flex
name, I think this might work.

Now, we're talking about a podling which will have time to sort this
out before graduation. This might lead to a nice model that works for
the mutual benefit of Flex community members, or the conclusion might
be that the podling needs to change its name to Apache Rigid before
graduating (or some nicer name ;-)

In summary, IMO the idea here is to *try* to keep the Flex name, see
how that works, and change strategy if that doesn't.

I'll reply separately to Craig's list of existing websites.


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