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From Marcel Offermans <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator
Date Thu, 17 Nov 2011 18:40:44 GMT
Hello Ant,

On Nov 17, 2011, at 16:56 PM, ant elder wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Karl Pauls <> wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 4:38 PM, ant elder <> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Karl Pauls <> wrote:
>>>> Again, I'm not against doing things differently for future release
>>>> (and the reason this release looks like it does is because that is
>>>> configured like this in the apache-parent iirc). However, I'm still
>>>> confused what all of this has to do with the graduation proposal vote
>>>> and why this has to be on general@.
>>> I think why its come up here now is because part of judging if a
>>> poddling is ready to graduate is if they understand how to make and
>>> review ASF releases properly. And with whats be said here and how the
>>> source has to be built i'm wondering if anyone who voted +1 for the
>>> release would have actually tried to build any of the source.
>> I guess the point is: are you arguing that the release should not
>> haven been accepted by the incubator in the first place on the grounds
>> that you find it hard to build and hence, you want to see a new one
>> before the we can vote on approaching the incubator for a graduation?
> I'm not arguing anything yet. Some valid comments and questions were
> made in the vote thread, you asked why they were happening here and i
> tried to answer that. The Incubator people should have an opportunity
> to discuss a graduation, perhaps some of that might be better on a
> graduation discussion thread but there wasn't one of those before the
> vote.

Starting with that last remark, the vote that was started earlier today is the "Community
Graduation Vote" where we as the ACE community vote to confirm that we are ready and willing
to start the graduation process (as explained here
Before that, on the ACE list, and in the last board report, we already expressed that we feel
we're ready to graduate. Whilst I don't mind adding a step before this one in the graduation
guide, I am not aware of skipping a step in the process.

> The release does look a bit dubious to me.

Point taken, we appreciate all the feedback and will take that into account when doing the
next release.

Greetings, Marcel

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