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From Kevan Miller <>
Subject Re: Anybody know legality of saaj-impl-1.3.jar?
Date Fri, 08 Jul 2011 19:43:43 GMT

On Jul 7, 2011, at 9:40 AM, Daniel Kulp wrote:

> On Thursday, July 07, 2011 9:32:37 AM Karl Wright wrote:
>> OK - so now I'm getting conflicting advice.  Somebody went through a
>> fair bit of effort to implement the geronimo versions of all these
>> packages, including saaj-impl.  Are you saying that Sun/Oracle
>> recently changed the licensing terms sufficiently that substituting
>> the geronimo jars is no longer necessary? 
> I wouldn't say recently, but yes.  They did change licenses a while ago *for 
> new releases* from BCL to CDDL which moved them from Category X to Category B.   
> So yes, substituting the geronimo jars in MOST cases is no longer necessary.  


> However, not all of the Sun jars have had a new release with the new License.     
> That said, may folks would prefer the Apache licensed versions.
> That said, you specifically asked about saaj-impl, not saaj-api.   Geronimo 
> doesn't have a saaj-impl.  The closest at Apache would likely be in Axis.   I 
> believe they have an saaj-impl based on Axiom someplace.  Geronimo does have 
> an saaj-api I believe.   
>> If so, what caveats do I
>> need to include in NOTICE.txt and LICENSE.txt, or should I just copy
>> whatever Chemistry does?
> Well, you'd need to mention the CDDL license for the saaj-impl in the 

Adding a bit more background:

saaj-impl (and many of the other implementations/specs) are dual licensed GPL v2 and CDDL.
Any ASF project should choose CDDL. I had thought that the procedure for this was to include
both of the licenses, then explicitly choose the preferred license. Looks like I'm wrong/out-of-date.
Only the CDDL license should be included. See
for details.

>> Karl
>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Daniel Kulp <> wrote:
>>> On Thursday, July 07, 2011 9:08:52 AM Karl Wright wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> The ManifoldCF has had a connector contributed that is based on Apache
>>>> Chemistry.  The dependencies of Apache Chemistry include
>>>> activation-1.1.jar and saaj-impl-1.3.jar, both of which seem to be
>>>> from Sun, and are (I believe) covered by the Sun/Oracle license.  I
>>>> was told a while back that activation.jar could not be included in MCF
>>>> for this reason, but that there was a geronimo-activation.jar
>>>> available instead, which is what ManifoldCF uses.  But I don't know
>>>> about saaj-impl.
>>> The recent versions of most of that stuff is CDDL which is OK (category
>>> b
>>> license) for shipping the binaries.     Definitely use 1.3.2 though:
>>> /
>>> Dan
>>>> (a) Does anyone know if there's an Apache-licensed replacement for
>>>> saaj-impl? (b) Should somebody tell Chemistry that they may have a
>>>> license problem?
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Karl
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