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From Rob Weir <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] ODF Toolkit for Incubation
Date Thu, 21 Jul 2011 17:46:36 GMT
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
<> wrote:
>  1. In the proposal,
> "The coders on the existing ODF Toolkit will comprise the initial committers on the Apache
project. These committers have varying degrees of experience with Apache-style open source
development, ranging from none to being committers on other Apache projects."
> That strikes me as inadequately expansive/inclusive.  It makes me wonder, why doesn't
the project simply stay where it is?  You appear to have a definite roadmap for how you want
to see this project proceed.

That text is in response to the "core developers" section of the
proposal. If you look at the Apache Incubation Proposal Guide [1], you
will see that our response is in line with the examples given.

You probably want to review the "rationale" section for the "why" question.


>  2. Also, the current code carries template Apache ALv2 notices with copyright statements
such as
>    /************************************************************************
>    *
>    *
>    * Copyright 2008, 2010 Oracle and/or its affiliates. All rights reserved.
>    * Copyright 2009, 2010 IBM. All rights reserved.
>    * [... usual ALv2 template text ...]
>    */
> Is it intended that there be an SGA or will this code simply be adapted as licensed?
 [I am curious because I have been restructuring some projects of mine along these lines
and I'd like to see how that works.]

SGA's are for donations of code or documentation.  No one is donating
anything here.  Apache does not typically aggregate copyright and the
code is already under an Apache 2.0 license.  So the copyright
statements in the code are factual, but irrelevant from Apache's
perspective, to the extent that all the code is also properly under
the Apache 2.0 license.

>  3. In the code base, there appear to be other committers (e.g., Devin and Michel).
 Is there some reason they are not among the initial committers?  Are the listed Initial
Committers the only current committers on the ODF Toolkit projects?

All existing committers to the ODF Toolkit were contacted and asked
whether they wanted their names added to the proposal.  The ones who
took us up on the offer are listed.  Also, note that some of the
Chinese project members use Western nicknames (like 'Devin'), so
correlating the legal iCLA names to their ID's will require some care.

>  4. Can we know the contact e-mail and current iCLA status of the initial committers?

Yes, we can work on that.

>  - Dennis
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Fisher []
> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 08:03
> To:
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] ODF Toolkit for Incubation
> On Jul 21, 2011, at 7:10 AM, Andy Brown wrote:
>> Rob Weir wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Andy Brown <>
>>>> Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>> And I've added it to the wiki:
>>>>> -Rob
>>>> What can I do to help?
>>> Good question.  Once the project is set up, there will be many areas
>>> where we would benefit from contributions.  Naturally, this includes
>>> Java programmers, but also QA, documentation, and of course, users.
>> I was referring to get it approved as an incubator project.  I see no
>> where to sign up as a committer as we had with OOo.
> I would like to help as well. Are people allowed to add their names to the proposal?
> Regards,
> Dave
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