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From "William A. Rowe Jr." <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Date Sun, 03 Jul 2011 18:51:28 GMT
On 6/28/2011 12:49 AM, berndf wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling.
> 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of
> becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and
> developers are changing frequently without notifications on the public
> lists. Mentors are M.I.A. Reports are often late. No Apache release was
> every made.
> There were multiple attempts to reboot the podling (Thanks Luciano!)
> without much success.
> So now I'm calling a vote to end Incubation for Bluesky.
> The vote is open at least until 2011-07-02 12:00 UTC.
> [] +1, retire Bluesky for the time being


I'm sorry that the chief advocates of this code still do not see the
actual flaws in the development methodology.  I really believe that the
language barrier is a significant obstacle in discussing code on list
and part of the reason this project still isn't functioning correctly,
even though these advocates have been reminded over and over what must
happen to survive as an ASF project.

If the advocates wish to run this project in a transparent, collaborative
and open Apache-like way, a Chinese language development discussion list
and more liberal granting of commit access for the students terms could
make a lot of sense.  This need not happen at the ASF itself, but could
be replicated anywhere.

Unfortunately, I don't believe there is any effort to run this in an
ASF-like collaborative way, so this project doesn't belong here.  The
issue of creating localized development discussion lists is another
matter that could have been pursued, and may one day happen for one
project or another, but I don't think it would be very fruitful to
further force a round peg in a square hole.

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