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Subject Apache Incubator Proposal: Are we required to make everyone happy?
Date Thu, 02 Jun 2011 15:11:25 GMT
Jochen Wiedmann <> wrote on 06/02/2011 10:25:20 

> >
> > I trust I do not need to explain at length to an Apache PMC the 
> > merits of the Apache 2.0 license or the strengths and stability of the
> > ASF.  I'll take it as granted that this is well-known to you all.  In 
> > case I am a strict adherent to the practical wisdom of not debating 
> > source licenses while sober, and I decline to make an exception in 
> > case.
> Rob, it may come as a surprise to you: But what I wrote was in no way
> related to a particular license. I would have written just the same,
> if Apache would use the LGPL/MPL and LibreOffice where ASL licensed.
> The point I am trying to make is that it is (IMO) in noone's interest
> to create a second community (!), the exception (at least it seems)
> being IBM. Everyone else would be just as happy or even happier if the
> OO code base, trademarks, etc. where simply donated to TDF.

Respectfully, Jochen, that is your opinion, but it disproved with every 
non-IBM name added to the wiki.

Despite TDF press releases, there was never unanimous support for 
LibreOffice among members of the community.  We're seeing 
some of them stand up now and be counted.

What is best for them?  Really?  Do you really want to tell them what is 
best for them, what will make everyone happy?!

I'm more humble.  I have a fairly good idea what is best for my little 
corner of the universe.  I've found some other parties who agree with me 
and we're asking to give this a try, in an open source project. We're just 
proposed an incubation project in Apache.  You have something like 50 of 
them.  I'm not seeking in loco parentis rights to determine for others 
projects at other foundations what is best for them.  I'm just looking for 
some place where I and others who are similarly minded, can work on this 
code.  I'm understand that this is not an unusual request.

In any case, I'm not operating from a vision of scarcity, that we have 
this meagre pool of interested developers which we must horde and 
conserve.  I believe that once we going with a permissive license we'll 
attract new corporate interest and more developers.  I see the future as 
being much bigger than the past, not merely a turf war over the same 
static small plot of earth.



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