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From Jim Jagielski <>
Subject Re: Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HREUNITING the Community?
Date Sat, 04 Jun 2011 18:50:46 GMT

On Jun 4, 2011, at 2:38 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
> I would be very wary of this sort of assertion, regardless of the person who
> made it, Jim. TDF does have quite an interesting story on this but we
> naively felt that discussions that were clearly off the record were to be
> kept, well, off the record. But then if everybody else comes up with his own
> version it might be necessary for TDF to bring its own version to the table.

Sorry... I didn't mean to open a can of worms. What I wanted to
do was ensure that people knew that there were discussions between
TDF and Oracle (and Oracle/IBM) and that asking the ASF "what's wrong
with TDF" or "why Oracle/IBM didn't give it to us" is both asking
the wrong person as well as asking for heresay. It's just important
for the people from the ASF side who do not know the history, and
may be asking "Why didn't Oracle/IBM chat w/ TDF" to know that it
*did* happen. 

> I think I have expressed myself -and so did TDF- on our interest to work
> with ASF. We are discussing terms, and also how the general discussion is
> framed. But this being said I also do feel we're making progress, aren't we?

I think we are, yes, and it's a great feeling...

>> P.S. I am again reminded by people (privately, in order to keep
>> the noise down a bit) that although TDF is a major player in the
>> OOo space, it is not "just" the ASF and TDF, but *everyone*.
> I would rephrase this in a different way. This is Free Sofware, TDF's
> mission is to replace the "OOo space" with the "LibreOffice space", and yes
> there are other players, but I feel that's somewhat obvious.  :)

By point is that the Apache podling proposal is about,
the entire community, and so while we need to ensure open lines of
communication and collaboration and cooperation between the ASF and
TDF, we (the ASF) must also ensure that other members of the OOo
community and eco-system feel just as important to the discussion
and the events.
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