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From "Noel J. Bergman" <>
Subject RE: Remediation ...
Date Thu, 09 Jun 2011 17:13:42 GMT
Michael Meeks wrote:

> Robert Weir wrote:
> > But I know with certainty that we've fixed things that LO has missed.
> > (I'm talking patents, not the MPL/LGPL dependency issues).

> You seem to assert that you have patent remediation patches for
> problems that others are unaware of, that you can provide, but you are
> choosing not to (yet) ? There is a nasty nucleus of potential future FUD
> here, so it would be interesting to firm this perennial rumour up.

I heard about this, myself, in some specific detail very recently.  I will leave disclosure
to the relevant parties, but while it may or may not be an issue for you, IBM did not consider
it FUD on their end, and invested in addressing it to their satisfaction.  So let's at least,
taking a line from one of Simon's recent messages, "assume they are a wise and honest conclusion
to an earlier conversation until we discover otherwise."

> Can you comment on your plans, and/or can others comment on ASF
> policies in this regard ? how are such issues worked through ?

Rob has already stated, as quoted by you, that "Symphony has done IP remediation at many levels.
 Where we've worked around things, WE WILL BE ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE OUR FIXES BACK."  [Emphasis

ASF policy is that our code must be unconstrained, in order to be available for all purposes
to all parties.  So, yes, we should expect (and require) that IP remediation will happnen
in our codebase.

> * As a European, I rather resent the ethnocentric imperialism
>   implied by trying to export the (terminally broken) US patent
>   system

As an American, I wish that you lot would simply up and pass legislation to reject all US
Patents on software so that we can get rid of our broken US patent system.  Please stop using
the meme that software patents make Americans happy.

	--- Noel

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