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From Ian Lynch <>
Subject Re: Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HREUNITING the Community?
Date Thu, 02 Jun 2011 21:32:27 GMT
On 2 June 2011 21:22, Noel J. Bergman <> wrote:

> Florian Effenberger wrote:
> > Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > > If there is a community split, that decision will rest solely on those
> > > who choose not to join our all-inclusive environment.
> > So, if TDF does not join the Apache OOo project, a community split is
> > our (=TDF) fault. However, if the people proposing the Apache incubator
> > project do not join TDF, a community split is not their fault.
> > This looks like a rather one-sided view to me
> Charles says that he doesn't want to "enter a debate on licensing."  But
> licensing is an elephant in the room.  Oracle's move with OO.o will fully
> open the project to all participants and use-cases, including those who
> might previously have had to enter into alternate, paid, licensing
> arrangements with the copyright holder.

Emotionally, ownership (in its broadest sense) is a factor but if we put
that aside for a minute, the only real issue *is* licensing. If there was
complete agreement on licensing why would there be a need for more than one
project? If a developer is totally committed to a copyleft license they
might prefer to contribute to a copyleft licensed product development and
same for a developer that wants a more permissive license the other way.  If
you are not bothered either way it won't matter. So the only other practical
consideration is whether Apache OOo will get sufficient support. There are 9
names on the commit list which seems surprisingly few to me but maybe
everyone is just waiting to see what happens.  I'm wondering whether the
document foundation could not as its name suggests become more about odf as
a format? I helped start the OpenDocument Fellowship with that in mind so I
think there is a need. LibreOffice could be a copyleft licensed version of
the more liberally licensed Apache code. So on that model all stays much the
same but with agreed cooperation to get the best out of it. Main long term
problem I see is a potential divergence of the code due to the different
licenses but I can't see how that risk can be avoided in the circumstances.

       --- Noel
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