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From Sam Ruby <>
Subject Re: Remediation ...
Date Thu, 09 Jun 2011 16:55:05 GMT
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Simon Phipps <> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Sam Ruby <> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Michael Meeks <>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >        IMHO this is vastly preferable to some smoke and lawyer (IANAL)
>> > filled room that issues edicts to remove features and veto patches
>> > without a clear public rational on a public list (cf. the above).
>> All work at the ASF that involve changes to the code base will be done
>> in smoke-free and publicly archived mailing lists.
>> If you have questions relating to prior work done by groups other than
>> the ASF, I encourage you to contact those groups directly.
> Despite the tone, I do think Michael makes a serious point. Rob did indicate
> that IBM has IP concerns and it would be good to have more details before
> Apache takes on any responsibilities for the code.

Yes, the tone is an issue.  I will state that I do not appreciate it.

Any and all IP concerns will be taken seriously, and needs to be
resolved prior to exiting incubation.  And it is the responsibility of
all who directly participate to ensure that the code is clean.  We
clearly have a number of IBM members on the proposed committer list.

And furthermore, clearly everything that is produced here can be
picked up and used elsewhere.  However, there is absolutely no
requirement that anybody do so.  I won't quote the exact words that
Michael used, but it seems quite likely to me that a company like IBM
may be a bit more risk adverse than the TDF is.

> S.

- Sam Ruby

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