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From dsh <>
Subject Re: Legal concern: Are we getting to close ot a "division of markets" conversation?
Date Mon, 06 Jun 2011 08:45:38 GMT
I guess if I get it correct the point in here is that most of us are
legal layman and thus it's not necessarily efficient if we try to sort
out legal concerns on our own. Instead this is supposed to be IP and
patent attorney business from my PoV. If assistance in this regards is
required it might be reasonable to involve

If IBM has legal concerns in this regards they may involve their own
IP and patent attorney stuff IBM-internally.


On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Dirk-Willem van Gulik
<> wrote:
> On 6 Jun 2011, at 09:13, Andreas Kuckartz wrote:
>> Am 06.06.2011 09:25, schrieb Greg Stein:
>> One of the main topics of the whole discussion regarding the
>> incubation proposal was and is collaboration with TDF /
>> LO. And now the first "initial committer" from IBM in the proposal
>> states that some ways of collaborating with TDF /LO might be illegal and
>> should not even be discussed.
> I think that this is a very *very* valid concern. And one I've certainly heard expressed
in recent months more regularly than in the years past.
> And it is one which is common for 'industry consortia' like ours - who end up having
a lot of market impact due to their neutrality combined strength of their respective markets.
And that is not a theoretical thing - nor is intervention (though historically such intervention
has usually been at the source - i.e. the amount of leeway a large company/organisation gets
to work & bestow their good-will onto others).
> However - it is just a concern. I do not think that it is a problem - as these effects
are well understood at a regulatory level - and are common to a lot of standards bodies and
industry coordination entities.
> One of the things we could do on this side of the pond (e.g. in Europe) is pro-actively
open a dialogue with, say, the EU, under the digital agenda[1]. I'd suggest the latter - as
it has identified a number of 'actions' to which collaboration between the ASF, TDF and LO
would be very conductive. As opposed to working with the enforcement side of the regulatory
> That way we'd have the right-hand of the regulators help us shape this, we help the regulators
by introducing them into relatively new technology & power systems and we'd also further
some of the Digital Agenda - which I personally think is a good thing.
> Thanks,
> Dw
> 1:

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