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From Greg Stein <>
Subject Re: Apache Incubator Proposal: Collaboration with TDF/LO
Date Fri, 03 Jun 2011 19:24:02 GMT
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 15:12,  <> wrote:
> This is the OpenOffice proposal, not the LO proposal.  So we should be

This is the section on how we collaborate with LO, among others. I
consider that part of the OpenOffice proposal.

Look at it this way: you can exclude them from the proposal in the
name of "purity" (and division of community), or you can be inclusive.
The LO community is going to be a huge influence here at Apache. It
would be silly not to recognize that, and downright *detrimental* to
try and pretend otherwise. I just call that divisive and not what we
want to see here.

>> Collaboration is not always reciprocal (heh). We can make changes in
>> our codebase to support them. They can take any and all changes. They
>> can ask us if we could do $X and then they'll incorporate our modified
>> code into LO.
>> If you don't call that collaboration, then we've got big issues.
> That would certainly be collaboration, but that is in the nature of having
> user lists and a bug tracker.  I was thinking that the IPMC would
> especially want to see any *extra* things that the proposers foresaw that
> should be noted.
> There might be more concrete things we could do, but that would be in the
> details, e.g., synching schedules for coordinated releases, coordinating
> version numbers, etc.  I can add that.
>> > I think that it is the very nature of Apache that anyone can take
> source
>> > code from our projects and reuse them on whatever fashion they wish.
>  I'm
>> > not opposed to saying that explicitly in the wiki, but I was thinking
> that
>> > the proposal is a good place to note any places where we foresee
>> > collaboration that goes beyond the downstream rights that are inherent
> in
>> > the license.
>> Calling TDF/LO "one of many who can take our source" is disingenuous.
>> They are VERY definitely NOT just "one of the crowd".
> I see this distinction:
> -- An extraordinary downstream consumer of OpenOffice
> versus
> -- An extraordinary collaboration
> I'll grant you that TDF/LO could be seen as the former.

"Could be"? If you don't start writing down that they *will* and that
the project should *plan* for that, then they never will be.

I'm starting to get annoyed by your reticence here. Gonna end this
email now. Come back later.


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