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From Henri Yandell <>
Subject Re: process for going Dormant/Retired
Date Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:09:48 GMT
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 2:04 AM, Henri Yandell <> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 7:11 PM, David Crossley <> wrote:
>> David Crossley wrote:
>>> Christian Grobmeier wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I would like to propose "Dormant" or "Retired" status for the alois
>>> > project - not sure what is more matching or what the difference
>>> > between these two is. Unfortunately I have not found any docs about
>>> > this process.
>>> I suggest search the mail lists for past similar situations.
>>> We did have a recent discussion too about the process.
>>> IIRC, the Leo Simons was very helpful.
>>> Clutch provides some links:
>>> However there is more involved. When we find/create/enhance
>>> some docs, we can add to those pointers.
>>> Ah yes, one of those links goes to INCUBATOR-100
>> Giving this discussion a new name and linking from JIRA.
> Also, is there a retired-podlings url that the Attic can link to?

Some additional thoughts after reviewing the Bluesky thread. Generally
the Attic process should be followed for retired podlings; things like
making svn, JIRA etc read-only, updating the podling website with a
bold notice that the podling is retired and making the announcement.

Also a FAQ item from the bluesky thread:

"> What happens to a dormant podling?  Are its files still accessible,
> and does its licensing still apply?

I'd guess that the files remain accessible. However...
Please use unreleased code, especially from the Incubator, with extreme care.
Nobody, especially not the ASF, will grant for it."

We really want to be strong on that 'not vouched for' point. I think
we also should think about the question of whether we keep source that
wasn't able to check off its IP checklist items. We've got strong
podlings (JSPWiki springs to mind) where these haven't been checked
off yet - I think the Incubator PMC should push very strongly on
podlings to sort out their copyright early instead of letting it
linger. Perhaps even put in place some timelines 'sort it out in 3
months' etc.


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