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From Greg Stein <>
Subject Re: [ Re: OpenOffice and the ASF]
Date Thu, 02 Jun 2011 03:52:44 GMT
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 21:41, Louis Suarez-Potts <> wrote:
> On 2011-06-01, at 20:18 , Ross Gardler wrote:
>> [cc'ing Italo and Louis hopefully they have joined the incubator list already, but
just in case]
> Thanks. I actually have already joined it.
> So, to the list: Wave of hand signifying hello!

Hey, Louis ... been a while :-)

> My questions then are absolutely pragmatic and relate—hence the to post—to issues
not so far discussed:
> * Apache Foundation owns the trademark to OOo?

Not yet, but it looks like we have the rights to use it. If OOo
graduates from the Incubator, then I believe we'd want to ask for a
formal transfer (eg. with the USPTO and others) to the Foundation. I
guess we could do it beforehand, to unburden it from Oracle, even if
we ended up not using it and transferring it to another 501(c)3. The
language in the grant is a bit unclear to me, so my best answer is
"yeah, it looks like we can use it, and could do a formal transfer tho
that hasn't happened (yet)." I'm sure our legal folks can get that
cleared up, should OOo be accepted into the Incubator, as part of the
regular incubation process.

Note that there is another question of whether and how the ASF would
use the mark. The community might want to call it "Apache Office", for
all I know, and the OOo trademark wouldn't be useful. (tho it seems a
terrible shame given its recognition and goodwill)

> * We at OOo receive lots of requests to use it for mostly good purposes. We grant these,
with minimal fuss and have set up systems to do that more efficiently. With the change in
trademark ownership—if?—the situation will naturally change. I'd like some clarity on

As above, I believe we'd have to get that cleared up during
incubation. I believe Oracle's *intent* is to transfer it to the ASF.

> * Similarly, OOo is more than a developer community; it's also a shifting set of globally
dispersed ecosystems built around the primary application and concerned with the usual open
source matters—support, education, training, services, migration, etc. I've worked hard
to help set many of these up, and to establish the ecosystems, so that there is a real market
for the ODF and OOo, as well as its relatives.  What now?

These kinds of things are for the community. The ASF itself doesn't
really care, to be honest :-)  Most ASF communities do have ecosystems
like this, but the Foundation doesn't really involve itself in that.

I think what I'm trying to say, is that it doesn't really have to change.



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