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From Ralph Goers <>
Subject Re: Apache Incubator Proposal: Meritocracy and Committers for non-coders?
Date Thu, 02 Jun 2011 14:08:01 GMT
Every Apache project's PMC has a duty and responsibility to award commit privileges to individuals
who contribute to the project and, when warranted, invite those people to participate in the
project management committee. The conditions the PMC chooses to use to base their decisions
on who to invite are completely in their control.  In the Cocoon project one of the people
we granted commit rights to was solely on the basis of his contributions to the community
in organizing our get-togethers and other promotional work he was doing. He is now a member
of the ASF.  

If the project has people who enjoy doing QA or marketing work, etc. the PMC should jump for
joy and invite them to be a committer.


On Jun 2, 2011, at 6:43 AM, wrote:

> Simon Brouwer <> wrote on 06/02/2011 09:21:53 AM:
>>>> Should we add ourselfs as commiters?
>>> If you would like to contribute here (possibly instead of, or in
>>> addition, to your work at TDF), then yes! Please add yourself into the
>>> proposal on the wiki.
>> I had already been so bold as to adding myself to the list, expressing 
>> my support to the proposal. I was wondering though. In the 
>> project, many community members contribute in other ways 
>> than committing code, for example by writing or translating 
>> documentation, being active in the marketing project, taking part in QA. 
>> Some concern has been expressed that, if the meritocratic system in 
>> Apache is based on code contribution only, those community members are 
>> not able to fully become part of the Apache project or 
>> the Apache community.
> Excellent question, Simon!
> I've certainly seen QA committers.  I assume translators would be similar. 
> If you are contributing assets to the project, asserts that are checked 
> in, and which should be peer reviewed and maintained, then the project 
> needs a way to identify the project members are have the authority to 
> check in these assets, but also the responsibility to review and check in 
> the assets contributed by others.  Please someone correct me if I'm wrong, 
> but I don't think Apache makes a distinction between someone who 
> contributes C++ code versus Java code versus translations versus test 
> cases versus help and documentation.  They all need to be contributed and 
> reviewed and checked in.
> What isn't clear to me are things like the following:
> 1) A strong QA member, who does manual testing, enters defect reports, 
> does smoke tests, etc.  How do they advance in the meritocracy?  Is there 
> any opportunity for them to be recognized as a committer and eventually as 
> a PMC member? 
> 2) Ditto for someone working on marketing oriented aspects of the project, 
> helping to arrange conferences, working on logos, etc.?
> 3) Ditto for someone on the build/release management side, for example, 
> liaising with Linux distros to get them to include OpenOffice releases.
> All of these roles (and others which I've surely missed) are critical to 
> the project's success.  How does a project typically recognize the lead 
> contributors in these areas?  Is it a case of "If it is not checked into 
> the repository, it doesn't count" ??  I hope note.
> -Rob
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