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From Jim Jagielski <>
Subject Re: Proposal for OpenOffice Incubator strategy
Date Fri, 03 Jun 2011 18:26:57 GMT

On Jun 3, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Simon Phipps wrote:

> If I were voting on this incubator proposal (and of course I know I am not),
> I would want to know that the people proposing it had a grasp of the
> enormity of the task and a plan for dealing with it /from day one/ and not
> from an undefined point in the future after which Apache has a serious
> reputational problem with that end-user community and a serious enforcement
> problem with that trademark.

As we all want to know... we are not idiots.

> Since I did not see any hint of this in the proposal, my suggestion for how
> to deal with it from day one is to explore co-operation with LibreOffice,
> who have the build infrastructure, distribution infrastructure, translation
> and localisation infrastructure and indeed marketing infrastructure already
> in place, following eight months of hard work on their part. Ask them if
> they would be willing to create for you.
> Ask them to host that binary download. Then as the Apache project falls into
> place, continue to collaborate for the good of the open source community.

and tell me *exactly* HOW we have not been doing that?

>> color me confused: first Simon slams the ASF for not actively
>> engaging TDF and others (although we, of course, did) but now
>> his suggestion is to basically ignore each other...
> Actually I thought my whole e-mail was pretty reasonable and in fact a call
> for ASF and TDF /not/ to ignore each other. But apparently my lame attempts
> to talk of collaboration and conciliation are "slamming" and the people who
> are flinging mud at TDF are just fine and get no rebuke from the ASF
> President.   I must have done a terrible writing job...

No, but *ignoring* the obvious efforts by numerous people who have
been talking of collaboration and conciliation does them a real

I fail to see why you suggesting that the ASF and the TDF not ignore
each other, and that we practice collaboration and conciliation, is
something you see as "new" in this whole discussion. I've been pushing
it from the start.

And FWIW, I have quite often "slammed" others... 
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