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From Joe Schaefer <>
Subject Re: Remediation ...
Date Thu, 09 Jun 2011 16:56:00 GMT

----- Original Message ----
> From: Simon Phipps <>
> To:
> Sent: Thu, June 9, 2011 12:46:41 PM
> Subject: Re: Remediation ...
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Sam Ruby <>  wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Michael Meeks <>
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > >        IMHO this is vastly  preferable to some smoke and lawyer (IANAL)
> > > filled room that issues  edicts to remove features and veto patches
> > > without a clear public  rational on a public list (cf. the above).
> >
> > All work at the ASF  that involve changes to the code base will be done
> > in smoke-free and  publicly archived mailing lists.
> >
> > If you have questions relating  to prior work done by groups other than
> > the ASF, I encourage you to  contact those groups directly.
> >
> Despite the tone, I do think  Michael makes a serious point. Rob did indicate
> that IBM has IP concerns and  it would be good to have more details before
> Apache takes on any  responsibilities for the code.

I don't see how this has any bearing on the vote.  The ASF doesn't require
entities to disclose whether or not any particular contribution includes a
patent license.  If anything is certain about this podling, given the mentors
there will be no tolerance for any unusual off-list collusion or non-public
decision-making regarding contributions of any kind.

If Rob or any other IBM person has issues with what LO distributes, they can
take it up with the TDF.  If at some point there needs to be a discussion about
outstanding patent claims regarding the code grant to the ASF, that is best done
in the confines of a podling, on the podling's public dev list.

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