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From Marvin Humphrey <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Flume for the Apache Incubator
Date Tue, 31 May 2011 19:20:19 GMT
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:53:22AM -0700, Jonathan Hsieh wrote:
> My understanding is that a podling requires 3 +1s for progress (releases,
> new commiters).  

And those "binding" +1s need to come from people who are on the Incubator PMC.
They do not technically have to be Mentors to your project, though in the last
year I've been following general@incubator.a.o I've never seen a release vote
pass that did not have at least one project Mentor voting +1.

It's difficult for outsiders to provide a throrough review.  When an
unaffiliated IPMC member looks at release artifacts, they typically examine
the signatures and checksums, perform an audit on license headers, pore over
LICENSE and NOTICE carefully, and perform a somewhat superficial
build-and-test check.  Problems are often revealed at this stage, and it's
clearly helpful -- which probably reflects the expertise and dedication of the
few stalwarts who regularly volunteer and step into the gap.  Nevertheless,
freelance review cannot substitute for say, consistent oversight during the IP
import stage.  For that, you need Mentors.

> Does this mean we need at least 3 mentors?  Would it be helpful to have
> "extra"?

It is helpful.  Some projects have lots, but Mentor availability is frequently
a bottleneck.  Projects are be well-served by aggressively moving to minimize
the effort required by their Mentors: provide them with reports to review
rather than require them to chase you down, etc.

> Is having the Champion being a Mentor ok?


> Are there any concerns/discussion with the proposal?  (or are +1's basically
> saying lgtm.)

That's how I've interpreted what I've seen so far.  I didn't read it
throughoughly, but a brief skim gave me the impression of something which had
been well thought out.


Marvin Humphrey

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