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From Alan Gates <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project
Date Tue, 08 Mar 2011 18:26:09 GMT
We are taking it seriously.  We (Howl mentors and committers)  
discussed this and the consensus seemed to be we wanted to stay with  
the name if possible.  The feedback on this list was mixed, with many  
for changing it and some not worried about it.  So we wanted to stick  
with it for now and see how it went.

Our desire to stay with the name is not merely because we like the  
name.  The Pig, Hive, and MapReduce teams have been talking about Howl  
in their communities for 9 months now, and we are concerned that  
changing the name will cause confusion in those communities.  I cannot  
recall anyone in our communities confusing the Howl we are talking  
about with the Howl OW2 project.

What if we call it Howl Table Manager?  That would address our  
concerns about confusion in our communities.  Would it address the  
concerns expressed on this list about confusion with Howl OW2 and your  
concerns about legal liabilities for Apache?


On Mar 7, 2011, at 7:04 PM, Alex Karasulu wrote:

> What about the naming conflict with Howl from ObjectWeb
> [0]<>?
> Anyone address this serious issue yet? I pointed this out a while  
> back and
> frankly am shocked not to see this resolved.
> HOWL has been around long before this project: 6 years
> [1]<>.
> So you're certainly not going to be able to defend your right to the  
> name.
> What's going to happen when ObjectWeb finds out after an  
> announcement about
> the Howl Project entering the Apache Incubator?
> I did not ORIGINALLY want to veto on account of this easily fixable  
> issue
> hoping someone would address it. I suggest fixing it before entering  
> or
> we're all going to have to deal with a big headache. I'd like to  
> avoid that.
> Whether you change it now before entering the Apache Incubator, or  
> you'll
> have to do so down the line when the ASF receives a cease and desist  
> letter.
> Better now than in the later case since you'll still have to change  
> it In
> the end and this way you will not have pissed off a whole lot of  
> people.
> Please take this seriously.
> Thanks,
> Alex
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