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From Niclas Hedhman <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Accept Wave for incubation
Date Fri, 26 Nov 2010 00:35:21 GMT
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Greg Stein <> wrote:

> Simple review: the original email was sent by Dan Peterson from his
> address. I imagine that if Google had a problem with it,
> then he wouldn't be working there tomorrow :-D ... or if this was some
> kind of spurious one-guy-goes-batshit-crazy, then how could he line up
> so many people?
> And sure, while you couldn't know this, Dan is a great guy. I worked
> with him while at Google. This proposal is straight-up.
> My simple point is: please accept proposals at face value rather than
> pushing back with paranoid thoughts about malfeasance on the part of
> the people wanting to join our efforts here at the ASF.

Yet, we have in the past had similar situations, where we have not
allowed this kind of position. In the end, you are now encouraging
that Apache WAVE, Google WAVE and Niclas WAVE are totally fine,
possibly not the same thing.
LucidImagination is told that "LucidWorks for Lucene" is a proper
'association' back to the Apache project. Shouldn't they (in the same
spirit) then be allowed "Lucid Lucene" as well?
Didn't we require Yahoo TrafficServer to assign trademark, or we would
change the name?
Doug Cutting assign trademark to Lucene?

Although I agree with you, Greg, that if Google has a problem, this is
likely not happening. My point is the reverse; If we allow "Google
Wave", "Niclas Wave" and so forth, we need to allow this for the
Lucenes, Hadoops and TrafficServers as well, otherwise 5 years down
the line, you need to go researching each and every projects history
to figure out how derived products may call themselves. I think it
severely complicates Trademark policies and blurs our definitions.

-1 to the proposal as it stands with this name and 'Google retains the
trademark "Google Wave"'

Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer - New Energy for Java

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