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From Bernd Fondermann <>
Subject Re: [ISIS] Re: Conference call
Date Wed, 24 Nov 2010 13:54:27 GMT
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 16:16, Benson Margulies <> wrote:
> I am nothing if not chronically disingenuous.
> My first concern in responding here is a process concern. As far as I
> can tell, the Incubator PMC has not formally voted to forbid the use
> of real-time communications in podlings. Absent such a vote, the use
> of these technologies is permitted, and it's up to the mentors to
> guide, monitor, and ring alarm bells, as needed.

Concluding that in the absence of a vote everything is allowed is not correct.
There is a lot of unwritten, conventional law at Apache which has
never been subject to a vote but is nonetheless part of how-it-works.
That's the hard thing about Apache - you have to be part of the
community for a substantial amount of time to know how it really
works. Sadly, there is no such thing as a manual "Apache in 14 days".

My recommendation: Skip the conf calls - it's a waste of time -, and
start with email communication right away. Reason: If there's only one
person not on the call, the whole discussion from the conf call will
happen again asymptotically on the mailing list (" I said on the
conf call..."). Also, call transcripts ("... as we decided on the conf
call...") minutes tend to sound binding (and people on the call think
they are) when really they aren't, which can lead to frustration.


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