From general-return-26369-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Thu Sep 09 19:34:50 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 53143 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2010 19:34:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by 140.211.11.9 with SMTP; 9 Sep 2010 19:34:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 65603 invoked by uid 500); 9 Sep 2010 19:34:48 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 65449 invoked by uid 500); 9 Sep 2010 19:34:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 65441 invoked by uid 99); 9 Sep 2010 19:34:47 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 19:34:47 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=10.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [74.125.83.47] (HELO mail-gw0-f47.google.com) (74.125.83.47) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 19:34:40 +0000 Received: by gwb1 with SMTP id 1so832231gwb.6 for ; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:34:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.49.2 with SMTP id w2mr967959agw.119.1284060853790; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:34:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: jcarman@carmanconsulting.com Received: by 10.90.52.3 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 12:33:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4C873855.5030102@gmail.com> <1283944783.2007.3.camel@rcm-desktop> <1284021763.1900.22.camel@rcm-desktop> From: James Carman Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:33:53 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: UyCncidWTQEOgfY9Ai4nLeWUOb0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: No dev-, user- lists for small podlings (was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Kitty to Enter the Incubator) To: general@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > The formation of your community is a BIG DEAL. Not something to > casually sweep under the rug. > > Partitioning the community between users and devs makes it very > difficult to establish a large, viable, sustainable community. > > If projects arrive at the Incubator with an already-built user > community, then sure. Create separate lists. But small communities > should (IMO) stick to a single dev@ list until you can't handle the > traffic any more. If you started elsewhere with two lists, but your > list traffic is still "small", then I would recommend combining them > when arriving at the Incubator. > > It is obviously a call for each podling to make, so I'm simply > recommending that all podlings consider the impact of dividing your > community when you ask for separate dev/user lists. I believe it is > rarely appropriate. > And I'm all about consistency. Most (if not all, I haven't checked) ASF projects have separate user/dev lists. That's just how we do things. It's really not that much trouble to have two different lists and just subscribe to both (if you're a developer). That way, development "stuff" (votes, board reports, etc.) doesn't bleed over onto the user lists. I've always subscribed to both lists for every project I'm on. If users are interested in the development goings-on, then they can subscribe to the dev list. Some folks, like us "mentors", might not be interested in user issues, because we're really not necessarily capable of answering the questions. I don't want that junk in my inbox (or label/folder). --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org