From general-return-26375-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Thu Sep 09 22:34:26 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 16952 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2010 22:34:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by 140.211.11.9 with SMTP; 9 Sep 2010 22:34:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 12170 invoked by uid 500); 9 Sep 2010 22:34:24 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 11900 invoked by uid 500); 9 Sep 2010 22:34:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 11892 invoked by uid 99); 9 Sep 2010 22:34:23 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 22:34:23 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [206.190.49.140] (HELO web54410.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.140) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with SMTP; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 22:34:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 25744 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Sep 2010 22:33:57 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1284071636; bh=Rc9ujm9kACFt3Mz1jT0tWvoTq94nVtpHS/T2AIFmBtI=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3M6pWBlvX9DNPUnb0Putt1+9J7Af2ptNSqDuZUlECTCZs/OoyWAtTkg7slSxKQ+KVeWcq1F0ZBLD0Wb8cRxL2znwEApWBrSG2RDuOvatSML1+4TDWOeD3HeZmLHekLFrO9BVu382I8kwJFn6AQo+yrayqo9WPm2PHvpN5iKcvVY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TiYqGDgjH9aVjpeVnmjZzHkAOnkh2KALaoeOfuWMwtlHgGUqkJDJjxjv2Rymb7eCltRCgcT6fkBSMIzqb9MOuSQ2U8CO8wT4HpXgpp9m9d1k5Jp6hDQTdyyO7n1DX403GAwZ1rs1Iew1MZPw6kaJcyKV9p3YL1FevVgx1CHi9mk=; Message-ID: <936451.16916.qm@web54410.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: l2BGt1YVM1m53kzD5NboF8GGDke7o9cmMq1e9lTuR5d8OtE 5HMvNcVLfWiMpM7NlpdosL2XcGfsdi2qxxEc0YTv1sS_a7hIHXgmkKlwi9Q5 wq1ZoaGrTfvQU59hQv.qz1MUGlMSmsXi8B4FUVmxCVxTooW9jOhYGqu72Gen XtMYM0NCAIXk9jCS4uR7r4NaK_uaEYQ.xQ.aBa9PgC7kiQWf1FA_AiPh4RMz 7w7zZUQYGu4FKZgZ7RZOH..8_s7N4xt93CTIvJXoAKw0IpLXrJl5QuIMhmHh N01XoNYRfQ6ljr106IB5fJUXRGQqP0HMp.sTQsC0OjZZGtkIIzDPKdvHt_gK fXPL59_a1UURstP6sHG08PL4P4lI- Received: from [99.135.28.65] by web54410.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 15:33:56 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/470 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: <49917.88589.qm@web27804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:33:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Schaefer Subject: Re: No dev-, user- lists for small podlings (was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Kitty to Enter the Incubator) To: general@incubator.apache.org In-Reply-To: <49917.88589.qm@web27804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Knowing Roy he'd probably want to see them all renamed use@. ----- Original Message ---- > From: Mark Struberg > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Sent: Thu, September 9, 2010 6:31:05 PM > Subject: Re: No dev-, user- lists for small podlings (was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Kitty >to Enter the Incubator) > > btw, regarding consistency: some projects have a users@a.o (plural) list, >others have user@a.o (singular). I most certainly take the wrong one whenever I >write a mail to some u list ;) > > LieGrue, > strub > > --- On Thu, 9/9/10, James Carman wrote: > > > From: James Carman > > Subject: Re: No dev-, user- lists for small podlings (was: Re: [PROPOSAL] >Kitty to Enter the Incubator) > > To: general@incubator.apache.org > > Date: Thursday, September 9, 2010, 7:33 PM > > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Greg > > Stein > > wrote: > > > The formation of your community is a BIG DEAL. Not > > something to > > > casually sweep under the rug. > > > > > > Partitioning the community between users and devs > > makes it very > > > difficult to establish a large, viable, sustainable > > community. > > > > > > If projects arrive at the Incubator with an > > already-built user > > > community, then sure. Create separate lists. But small > > communities > > > should (IMO) stick to a single dev@ list until you > > can't handle the > > > traffic any more. If you started elsewhere with two > > lists, but your > > > list traffic is still "small", then I would recommend > > combining them > > > when arriving at the Incubator. > > > > > > It is obviously a call for each podling to make, so > > I'm simply > > > recommending that all podlings consider the impact of > > dividing your > > > community when you ask for separate dev/user lists. I > > believe it is > > > rarely appropriate. > > > > > > > And I'm all about consistency. Most (if not all, I > > haven't checked) > > ASF projects have separate user/dev lists. That's > > just how we do > > things. It's really not that much trouble to have two > > different lists > > and just subscribe to both (if you're a developer). > > That way, > > development "stuff" (votes, board reports, etc.) doesn't > > bleed over > > onto the user lists. I've always subscribed to both > > lists for every > > project I'm on. If users are interested in the > > development goings-on, > > then they can subscribe to the dev list. Some folks, > > like us > > "mentors", might not be interested in user issues, because > > we're > > really not necessarily capable of answering the > > questions. I don't > > want that junk in my inbox (or label/folder). > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org